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Why is $250.000 the magic number for being rich. Many people and companys make that with combined salaries or small busineeses. How come $1 million isn't the cut off. I think far less people would complain about higher tax rate if it were for thoses making 1 million or more.

OverMyHead wrote: eric lavine wrote: why is it that when we help out our own (GM), people get pissed off, but your neighbor plops 70k down on a turd riceburnin Lexus, you go ooooooo and aaaaaah Because your neighbor spent money and actully got something for it.

OUCH!

The mob we should be most worried about is the baby boomers.

eric lavine wrote: Hey Phil, I hear the Pope is backing off on the rubber thing?

Yep, one small step forward for humanism. Too bad it took so long. It's amusing watching these religions evolve. Always changing their books and preaching.. that in itself should tell you something.

OverMyHead wrote: As for buffet, he is way to out of touch with average americans to take his opinions to seriously. He is certainly successful, but an abarency.

Almost as funny as your signature quote.

Okie Boarder wrote: phospher wrote: eric lavine wrote: Hey Phil, I hear the Pope is backing off on the rubber thing? Yep, one small step forward for humanism. Too bad it took so long. It's amusing watching these religions evolve. Always changing their books and preaching.. that in itself should tell you something. Really? What did the pope change about the Bible or his preaching? Did he tell catholics it is now OK for them to use birth control the catholic church has always been against?

Yes, exacly. He changed is preaching. Now the pope says, "There may be a basis in the case of some individuals as perhaps when a male prostitute uses a condom, where this can be a first step in the direction of moralization, a first assumption of responsibility, on the way toward recovering an awareness that not everything is allowed and that one can do whatever one wants. But it is really the way to deal with the evil of HIV. That can really lie only in a humanization of sexuality."

Seewald asks, "Are you saying, then, that the Church is actually not opposed in principle to the use of condoms?"

Pope Benedict: "She of course does not regard it as a real or moral solution, but in this or that case, there can be nonetheless, in the intention of reducing the risk of infection, a first step in a movement toward a different way, a more humane way, of living sexuality."

Never before has the catholic church made these exceptions.

Okie Boarder wrote: True, they have never addressed the issue of condoms outside of the catholic church and now they have. That hasn't changed the Bible or the stance of the catholic church regarding CATHOLICS and their use of them, though. Who is he addressing in his statements?

OKIE, it's a change, and it's a small step forward in their iron age philosophy's. Would you like me to outline more things that the Catholic church has changed over it's existence?

Okie Boarder wrote: I agree you could argue it can be construed as a change to their philisophy and teaching on the subject. I would disagree that it changes "their book", like you are trying to claim. As a point of discussion, do you think that the church changing and evolving their philisophy or interpretations is a bad thing?

Sorry, I should clarify. When I said, "changing their books" I was speaking of religions in general. I didn't mean that the Catholic church changed the bible regarding contraception.

No, it's not necessarily a bad thing only more evidence that the books are stories written by man. Ever play that game "telephone" when you were a kid?

What really pleases him is the ability to come in, change the subject and talk religion. This from someone that claims he don't believe. Amazing.

true but it got us off subject. (again) I'm sorry but I come here for the political debate, I could give a rats, well, about his views on religion. Especially when he says he has no affiliation with any. Ok point made, point taken.

Hey now Phil, I drop the child off at PSR every Saturday morning, I bite my tongue, but people i know are die hard Catholics, they send 10 percent every month, probably.......gaureentees them a spot in heaven? lol.
OMH are you serious? the Japanese Cadillac?
OMH, you seem intelligent and this question is geared directly to you, please nobody butt in and let him answer with intelligence.
Here we go. What if every person woke up tommorow morning and said to themselves, you know what, Ive had it, I really dont know if a Jap car is better, but I read somewhere that they are. So today. or maybe this weekend, thinking on my own, im going to buy an American car.

after one year of doing so, What would happen?

They don't - There is a separation of church and state for a reason. While the poitical theme may believe there is a God, they stay out of religion. Now for some one that doesn't believe at all you seem way to interested in religion, at least it appears so here and like I said before if that's all you want to talk about start a thread. You are startimg to sound like Keith Oberman.

eric lavine wrote: OMH, you seem intelligent and this question is geared directly to you, please nobody butt in and let him answer with intelligence. Here we go. What if every person woke up tommorow morning and said to themselves, you know what, Ive had it, I really dont know if a Jap car is better, but I read somewhere that they are. So today. or maybe this weekend, thinking on my own, im going to buy an American car. after one year of doing so, What would happen?

Eric, Interesting guestion to pose on the morning I overslept and am late for work. First to adress "OMH, you seem intelligent." Thanks and back at you. That is what makes this fun. You as well as anyone understand that this is about sharing ideas more than having to be right all the time, you never belittle and you put your thoughts out there. Thank you.
As for the buy American question. Big three only? How about hondas and toyotas that are assembled here? GM is now owned 15% chinese, are they in or out? Anyway American assemblers would initially bennefit of course, US sales would be up, alot would go unchanged globally due to forieng content of vehicles, but it would not take long for changes to happen.Supply and demand kick in. Auto assembly labor would suddenly be at a premium. OT would be through the roof affecting profitability. Union demands would increase, strikes become a risk. Honda and toyota will not roll over, they will drop prices testing american resolve. the price war will benefit those to weak to hold with the buy american agreement. US makers unable to handle the immediate demand increase will raise prices hurting US standard of living. If the buy american embargo holds the inflated car prices reduce total US car sales hurting dealerships, shipping and other support issues. Increased costs lower the us standard of living overall. OF course those employed by in the foriegn car system in the US will be dessimated, along with their familys, but they will migrate to the US makers, but due to decreased overall sales not all will find employment. Not to be left out honda and toyota would probably buy into or merge with the US makers to get their piece of the pie, sending profits overseas. it just goes on and on. wish I had more time to think this through, these are my first thoughts. Sorry for the spelling , no time to proof read. Dave.

So what do you do when you encounter a real live Catholic?

phospher wrote: [QUOTE=Riley] So what do you do when you encounter a real live Catholic?

Well, if they bring up there religion I give them a piece of my mind but I'm not usually the first one to bring it up cause they are usually very open and chummy about their beliefs. Many Christians consider it their obligation to follow what is termed the "Great Commission of Jesus". That is to say, try and proselytize others.


edit: Also, I will add what do you think the point of missionary work is? Proselytism.