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The guy that rebuilt this engine last is a local hi-performance engine builder. I went to see him and he remembered the motor well. He says it ought to be fine. It's really not even broken in since the rebuild. The PO installed it and at that point evidently had some ignition problems and tried resolving with a GM HEI distributor from a truck. When I bought it, it would barely idol at 2,000rpm. With the help of SKIDIM, I replaced the distributor and straightened out some wiring issues. I also noticed the choke linkage on the carb was missing and in desperate need of a rebuild. I had a kit and a few carbs laying around that I was able to make a good one from. I put her in the water and she fired first turn and idled @ about 700rpm. I knew she needed the floor but wanted to make sure I didn't have a POS, so I went for a little cruise. Holy cow, did she vibrate and needless to say I returned to the dock. I figure with all the other rigging on the boat, the PO must not have done any coupling alignment when he installed the motor. I'm guessing, since it wouldn't idle, he didn't even know he had an alignment issue. I didn't mess with aligning, since I knew the motor was going to come out for the stringer rebuild. So........I'll cross that bridge in a few months.
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Hey Kirk If you need any help drop me an email. I live in High Point,ThanksMarty
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My shop is at 513 English Rd. in High Point, I'll be around there this weekend if you want to take a look at the progress. If the rollup door is closed, just pick it up and come on in. If I'm making alot of noise, don't startle me too bad, I keep the ball bat close by to run the panhandlers off. If you know the area, you'll know that it's on the fringe of a bad section of town.
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I'm not exactly to the point yet, however, I've been thinking about the mounting of the battery box. The battery box in the boat is all fiberglass and has no lip/flange around the top. When I removed it, there were 1x2's stapled around the outside perimeter that I believe kept it in check with the floor surface. These 1x2's were of course rotten and due to there deterioration, I believe were a poor means of sealing/attaching to the floor and bulkhead. Has anyone reengineered the attachment of their box and feel it is a much better method than what the factory used?
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I am not sure how this would work in your application. I epoxied a couple coated boards to the hull so that a regular plastic battery box will sit level with the the tops of my longitudinal supports. I then ran a couple shorter boards front to back so it is loosely framed in there. I fixed the strap under the box, also, so with slits in the upper wide side of the box I can even secure it. I have two 1" holes drilled high on the sides. This is so I can have my battery cables tag into my cable tube going to the motor, and I have power cables for my stereo running forward and just coming out under the floor in the bow. I have little tiny screws that will hold the box to the bottom boards and the perimeter of the top all the way around. Using a plastic box, I wanted it removeable in case it ever cracked. Because the box sits level with my supports, I have an oversized cutout in my floor board that sits tightly over it. Nearly an interference fit.

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i wouldn't suggest runnig the battery cables the way you have, Your going to have one hell of a time running cables through it and making that 90 turn then you also have the sharp edge that is going to short the cable over time, even if you radius the edhge the cables going to bounce up and down on it. Orginally the battery box had it's own tube to the bilge area and when using the proper gauge cables you will not be able to make the radius tight enough. Major heads akes down the road I'm afraid.
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Mike, do you have provisions for drains up there?
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Kirk, this was my solution. I didn't have what you started with, but I suspect your setup evolved into mine. With a few exceptions, this is the '88 factory set-up.



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I appreciate the help guys. I had previously studied both of your posts to see how you guys had attacked this installation but, I you may realize that the fiberglass bat.box just doesn't have that lip like on the plastic ones. I am considering using Mike's procedure with some support underneath and then Gregg's procedure on or around the upper perimeter. I should be able to get a good overlap of the upper perimeter with glass going down into the box and therefore making a good watertight bond. I really think the lack of a good seal and attachment, along with a 50lb. battery made this a problem area for water getting into the foam in the bilge. Of coarse, there was also the problem with poorly attached and sealed drain hose and cable hose as well. I have a way to go with the stringers before getting to this point, I was just planning ahead.

I should have drive side stringers all glassed in by Saturday and ready to dig out the other side by Sunday. I do have the new stringers cut already based on the complete one I removed on the drive side. I do, however, anticipate a little tweaking, which is fine because I'm waiting on cloth to show up from US Composites for laminating. I had to order some more cabosil as well. You really go through that stuff putting in those stringers. I'll take some pics of my progress on Sunday.
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The drain issue is here in the forum somewhere...you and I aren't the only ones. The originals were hardlines(pvc in mine) and that's why I went to the flexible lines. I also think it is good for the battery to not be sitting directly on the hull.

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I found some pics of her before I started. Generally, the hull exterior in pretty good shape with the exception of handfull of blisters and some nicks and gouges.





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Everytime I see pictures of your job Greg I am impressed all over again. Those gotta be some of the smoothest stringers ever.

Excited about the 14th yet? I called and left you a couple of messages on your voice phone.

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Hey Grinch, What are those manifolds to in the last pic? Nice looking shop!
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Originally posted by jbear jbear wrote:

Excited about the 14th yet? I called and left you a couple of messages on your voice phone.


I thought that was you! Sorry we missed the call; we're early to bed, early to rise around here.

Yea, we're really looking forward to the trip, and the trip is looking like a blast!!!
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Chris,
Those are big tube headers I built for my racer. You can see them in this pic.



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OK....had some warm temps this wkend and plenty of time to get some work done. Looks like the warm temps will be around all week and that helps this epoxy dry a little faster.
I'm hoping to have the other side cut out by mid week so I can test fit my stringers on the other side. I realized today that I may not have enough epoxy to put the other stringers in. I should have thought about it last week when I ordered that cabosil. I guess that SKIBUM's thread was a little conservative on 5gallons to do the stringers and supports. I'm going to put my brain to work and try to figure out exactly how much material it's going to take to finish this project up and place a final order with US Composite. It wouldn't be so bad if it didn't take about 4 bus. days to get the order.






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I'm hoping that you are going to add a lot more cloth as well, asking a lot of the spars amount you currently have to hold the stringer in place.
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Nice work.
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Thats a sweet machine!! Can't looks like your on you way to a sweet boat as well!!
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Chris,
There are 4 overlapping layers between the primary and secondary. There are three overlapping layers from the primary down into the bilge. It's hard to see the 2", 4", and 8" cloth under the mat, but it's there. The foam goes between the two stringers and gets leveled to the shape of the primary and then glassed over all the way down into the bilge. I was planning on at least three layers on this final layup. Do you guys think I need more on the primary before the final layup? I want the strength, but have to keep the build up of height under close watch as well.
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Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

i wouldn't suggest runnig the battery cables the way you have, Your going to have one hell of a time running cables through it and making that 90 turn then you also have the sharp edge that is going to short the cable over time, even if you radius the edhge the cables going to bounce up and down on it. Orginally the battery box had it's own tube to the bilge area and when using the proper gauge cables you will not be able to make the radius tight enough. Major heads akes down the road I'm afraid.


they are not run how you think. they are not installed in the pic aboce. they go out the rear of the box, 45* to a very smooth edged (and loomed) oval hole in the tube that you can see, and then another 45* to the bilge.
No headsakes forthcoming.

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I did not provide drains, simply because the box is too low to have it above he hull, and I do not want water going forward. This is a limited use boat, covered, my vent tube is intact, and I can get any water that would ever get up there. The box will be removeable with just a couple little screws.

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Well, I was hoping to be pouring foam by now but I'm not Looks like my estimate of end of Feb. completion is going to be stretched a little. I managed to get the foam out of the other side and the stringers cut out in one night, however the grinding.........! Wow, I hated grinding before and now I really hate it. I haven't had any project time in over a week, but looks like tommorrow night might be a date. Going to do some test fitting and hopefully some laminatin! Going to be cold the next few days, but if all goes well, I might get'm glassed in by Sunday. We'll see.
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Kirk,

Where did you get your Foam? I got mine from US Composites and their site says that the temp needs to be at least 75 for best expansion. I have been waiting months for the temps to get back that high to pour my Barracuda. Are you going to pour indoors ?
I am not far from you over here in New Hill, just out of Raleigh. And it is not expect to get to 75 for some time yet.
Let me know when you are going to pour and if I am not already committed, I would like to stop by and help or watch.   
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I'm ordering foam tommorrow. Comming from US Comp. as well. I can get my booth up to 80 as long as the outside temp is at least 45. I have to run two heaters to get it there, but I'll have to do it if I'm going to get this thing finished by Spring. I just need it to be that warm long enough to do the pours, but it looks like I'm at least 2 weeks out on having everything ready. I'll give you a heads up when I get a little closer. I was able to test fit remaining stringers and start laminating tonight. Hoping to get them glassed in by the end of the wkend.
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Question for Gregg. I noticed on the Pumpkin Patch that you posed the question on the layers of what and how much for the floor glass over the foam. I also noticed no answers. What did you end up doing? Looks like one more order from UScomposites.
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I used mat, cloth, and biaxial. I also soaked in the top of the foam. At the time I wondered if that would be enough; now I wonder if it could have been lightened a touch.
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Gregg,
Did you do it in that order? I thought about using cloth as the final layer, just because it rolls out a little smoother.
Where the layers will reach the sides of the hull, did you layer in any of the 2,4,or 8" tape cloth?

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Yep, in that order.

On the sides, I put down a strip of mat to smooth the transition, and then let the edges run up the sides a little. In a few places I did add an extra strip or two.

At this point I was pretty sure everything was staying where I put it, and so was paying more attention to whether or not it would drain or hold a puddle.

I also wrapped the inside edge into the bilge hoping to tie everything together(cloth only).
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Finally remembered to take the camera with me to the shop this evening. I didn't get much done in the evenings last week, however, I put in alot of hours over the weekend. The observer side stringers and supports are in. I still have some glass work to do on the bulkheads and then I'll be ready for foam.





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I was doing some cleaning up tonight and had all the tools I've been using laying on a table and thought I'd share. Of course the electric grinder has had the biggest workout, but two other tools have been a big help in this project..... the variable speed buffer with the nylon bristle brush on it was used to get all of the old carpet and glue off of the hull sides, and the big "scraper bar" takes the work out of foam removal.....wish I had thought of this before I made it to the observer side!

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