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Thats why i put all the bullsht aside and listen to what the man says, he says what he means and he means what he says unless he's a GD good actor i have a tendency to believe him, I knew when GB was lying, his lips were moving and he twitched and looked to the left alot

I have the oppurtunity to talk to people everyday in our area from all different walks of life, I talked to a guy yesterday that got laid off 8 months ago and he went onto Cobra insurance which was 650 a month, A law was passed 6 months ago by our fearless leader that dropped it to 250 a month, is that compassion? or is that vote seeking? I dont know. but it seems to solidify what he preaches

Eric, you've taken it, hook, line and sinker.

all i know is gas is 2.45 a gallon this morning i can afford to drive to work, does that have something to do with Iraq? lol
I think if we were all locked in a room i would get beat up

Eric, how about if we chain you to a TV and make you watch Fox News?

Or we could fix your radio where it only picks up Boortz?    

Eric-
I think you keep confusing health care providers (hospitals/clinics/doctors) with insurance companies. I garantee there is more than one insurance company in Cleveland. There may be one chain of hospitals with clinics around the city, but for sure more than one insurance company. You keep saying that there is a "monopoly" right now with HC. That is simply not true. I could name off at least four large companies off the top of my head. The government is the only one trying to create a monopoly with there whole single payer plan. Again, do not need 1600 pages to open up state lines and create the compitition you are talking about.

We are still waiting for an answer to Tull's question...what gives you such faith in the government? I know I do not plan on SS when I retire. The only thing they can do on a consistent basis is collect taxes, and they suck at that to (hu, hu...Geitner).

But, keep drinking the Kool Aid. Obama said unemployment would not go over 8% if they passed the stimulous plan...that seems to be working .

Another thing, why is it that everytime a "righty" makes a good point, the "lefty" just screems out WAR? Give me a freakin break! Everyone in the house and senate, except one or two, voted for these wars. Lets not forget that. GW did not have the power to just send troops, willy nilly, around the world as he pleases.

And Luch, I respect your opinion, but could not care less what Argentina or any other country thinks of what we are doing to protect ourselves. Until the terrorist fly planes into your buildings with possibly some of your loved ones inside, you can not possibly understand. When that day comes, I am sure you would change your tune and you know who you would probably ask for help? Thats right, the good 'ol USA and we would probably help because we have strong convictions and are willing to stand up for them, not just go along with whatever is popular at the time. Well, at least GW did and I respect him for that. Not so sure about BO.

I say set some term limits for congress, get rid of their cushy private retirment plan, lower the pay, and vote them all out, pubs and dems, in 2010. Lets take this back to what the fore fathers thought it would be and get rid of the career politician.

Luch, I'd be happy if we became isolationists and pulled out all around the world.

they were led to believe Sadaam had WMD, they are no different than you and me they dont get intelligence reports.... Pearl Harbor was cut and dry, that pulled us into war not an excuse thats my point.
kill the fckin bill and wait another 8 years, you defend this tooth and nail...you have to start somewhere and sometime...who the hell you gonna wait on and i really dont think you will see one in 4 years because of the shenanagans...we sure the hell wouldnt be in an uproar if there wasnt a problem

Roger: Kelpers feel British and that says it all to me. I wrote without a second thought on the matter and I apologize. I edited my previous post.

I believe the damage there was inflicted by our own fact leaders and many wonder if democracy would have been possible at the time have they kept the islands for us.

C-Bass wrote: but none of us here are the cause/solution to this problem

That I must disagree, you might not know the cause, but you could be part of the solution indeed. Ask for your troops back home. Dont support the invasion.

And maybe you're right and it's not the oil you seek over there, and maybe you could explain why after so many years you're still invading 2 countries in middle east. What's the sense of the occupying forces?

Luciano, I believe it's less than 30% of the US actually agrees with the war. If that's not saying "Bring them home" I don't know what is. It's not like me standing on a street corner with a "Stop the War" sign in my hands is going to accomplish anything. We live in a democracy, however, this issue is not a simple vote of the people. We vote people into power, those people have access to information FAR beyond what the average citizen is aware of, and they use this information to make the best decisions (in their opinion) on what course of action is to take. I do not pretend to know every detail of why we are over there, but you'd have to be foolish to think we're in the business of going to war to piss a bunch of people off, just for no reason.

You can't expect a country to endure a 9/11 and not be afraid of it happening again. It's not enough to just "leave them alone". They (extremists) hate Westerner's just for being westerners. Our way of life and freedoms are a direct attack against their religion. Our support of Israel adds to it. If we just leave them alone...I don't want to see what they will do next.

Haha, good work Eric...this conversation needed a bailout plan. Shoulda known, don't talk politics or religion with your friends, but it's a good discussion no-less. We're just jealous of all the guys up having a good time at the reunion.

No Stimulus for your package!