Last night's speech.

At the law suit over the health care bill the Obama lawyers admitted the forcing citizens to buy health care is realy a TAX and therefore constitutional. When the Bush tax cuts expire they say its NOT raising your taxes just no longer giving you a break. So much for the 250k and above only tax increases. The current increase in the economy is only there because of massive stimulus spending look out when this bubble bursts.

Nautiquehunter wrote: At the law suit over the health care bill the Obama lawyers admitted the forcing citizens to buy health care is realy a TAX and therefore constitutional. When the Bush tax cuts expire they say its NOT raising your taxes just no longer giving you a break. So much for the 250k and above only tax increases. The current increase in the economy is only there because of massive stimulus spending look out when this bubble bursts.

Bull crap! This is all about re-disbuting wealth. Rob the rich and give to the blind. For example, if a small companys or corporation has employees, companies and coporations pay a butt load on your insurance for you to have for you and your family. It will be tons cheaper for small companies and corporations to take the 750 dollar hit per employee than keep you under there insurance. So in addition, you will have to go out and buy and will be forced to buy "Goverment Health Care", or you will be penalized also. Bunch of horse *************** if you ask me.
We will all get screwed when this takes affect, not just the rich but all considered. This bastard is making a "lazy"country and making others, such as his Muslim friends and countries, stronger to take over America. We will go bankrupt soon, if we do not fix the econimcal problems and have a pure "Conservative" way of doing things again.
The rich will eventually get poorer and there will be no more drive to have the "Dream" we always wanted. Bush did alot of dumb things but did some great things too. Kept this country "free", pure tax cuts for "middle class", and kept spending to a limitied. I could go on and on but as we see, Obama and his agenda, whehther it is from tax cuts, fixing a hole, or generating new policies, he gonna lube you up and take it from you and your family..

6strings wrote: Skicat, please don't take this personally, but I'd like to suggest that there are more apropriate forums here on the internet for discussing your strong political views. I come here for boating, recreation, knowledge, and general good humor discussions. I'm sorry I started reading this thread.

You would rather bitch than hit the DELETE ..............



You have not been here long enough for us to miss......... GOOD BY

Walt, that's why this discussion is under off topic. You don't want to read it then don't. No one is making you. That's what is so special about this site. We can discuss many things other than boats and have many different opions but the common demoninator of us all is our love for Correct Craft's!

Mr Sutton, Mr Moorfoot, and Mr Autio,

Thanks for sticking up for me there. I greatly apperciate it.

I just like to tell it like it is. Some of the "Left wingers" dont like to hear the truth.

all i can say is when gas spiked, i went and bought a car that gets 35 miles to a gallon and i re-evaluated things in life, i still owned a boat at the time, and was roughly spending 450.00 a month on gas until i got the high mileage car. it went from a luxury to a necessity and from that day on I viewed a car as a tool to get you from point A to Point b...and to do it as cheap as possible in order to afford gas for the boat, that's adapting, but the mindset was changed as everyone quit driving and you couldn't find a good used car in the 4 cylinder range.
the Europeans should chime in here, sht they are driving 3 cylinder diesels and they're cars must hit and mpg standard of 34 while we only need to hit (i believe) 24...a bit wasteful in my eyes and maybe a touch selfish...but such is life.
again, the government can be controlled by our everyday (legal) choices we the consumer make, China will be the leading manufacturer in the world in approximately 1 more year surpassing the US,
somebody has to finance our government which is me and you, in the form of what we call a tax, the money has to come from somewhere and since there are no large manufacturers it has to come from me and you...you need money in surplus, not deficit...more is going out than coming in...im fck pissed, i got a bill for 3544.00 for the road they put out in front of my house...it can be paid or assessed over the next 20 years with interest which when done will be 6500.00 out of pocket...you dont think i sit here and bash the government? i do i do i do...but also i do realize taxes should pay for this, but not if you aint got it

so the pubby's didnt rape and pillage us for 8 longggggggg years,

Oh Eric, You make me wish I could type faster. The one tax you are complaining about(streets) is the one I am the most comfortable with. we need them and have to pay for them.It is the entitilments that are killing us. Why do you think we have no manufactureres to pay taxes? we killed that cash cow by taxing them out of the country to pay for our selfish entitlements. We have some of the most expensive labor in the world, and if we combine that with cap and trade which some say could quadroople our energy costs we will further handcuff our ability to compete in a global economy. Why choose to do that? Our country is blessed with abundant natural resources including fossil fuels.It is only our hyper critical environmentalist lobby that keeps us from using them and forces us off land and into the ocean the ocean depths where disasters like we have now can occur. Do you really want to go to spending under bush? Congress controls the budget. Congeress has been democratically controlled since the early clinton administration if I remember correctly. I will fuelt republicans for not standing up to democrats to control their spending but is is only with thier current near super majority that we get to see how truely ideological and out of control they are. If we give george credit for the entire deficit that was present at the end of his second term, we then have to give Obama credit for where it was after his first year. It Quadroopled. that means he was 32 times as bad as bush ( 4 times bushes 8 year spending in one)And bush did not go out and blow the deficit money, he reduced taxes creating 7 1/2 very prosperous years. It was only the democratically controlled freddie and Fannie that took the economy down and many republicans had warned about that for years. Summation Bush so-so, Obama bad.

eric lavine wrote: the Europeans should chime in here, sht they are driving 3 cylinder diesels and they're cars must hit a mpg standard of 34 while we only need to hit (i believe) 24...a bit wasteful in my eyes and maybe a touch selfish...but such is life.

Yes we do. But it's because it's a necessity... We pay three times more for a gallon of gas than you do (made that calculation in another thread in the past), so European car manufacturers spend a lot of R&D to make cars more efficient and faster with smaller engines. Also, environmental laws here in Europe are very strict when it comes to emissions. 80% of all cars over here run on diesel but the emissions are controlled by electronics and special filters, according to emission laws.
(BTW, my (to your standards) small 6-Cyl BMW diesel goes from 0-100 KPH (0-60) in 8 seconds and runs 250 KPH (155 MPH)... Fast little car if you ask me. And there are 4-Cyl cars here that leave me standing at the traffic lights LOL

OverMyHead wrote: We have some of the most expensive labor in the world, and if we combine that with cap and trade which some say could quadroople our energy costs we will further handcuff our ability to compete in a global economy.

We're also in that category... Which is why a lot of our companies build plants in China... But just my 0.02, global economy is here and is here to stay... No government can do anything about that on it's own.

Just a side note... 45% of my gross wages go to taxes, in order to pay (amongst others) the pension fund and the free health care. Free health care exists since several decades over here, so my generation does not know any different...
So I have to enjoy driving, boating and all other things (like coming to GL this year ) in life with a small 2050 $ net wage a month...   

btw, i maintained for 8 long years, i did not prosper one bit, just made the payments....now lets talk about the good old 90's.

eric lavine wrote: btw, i maintained for 8 long years, i did not prosper one bit, just made the payments....now lets talk about the good old 90's.

I am in the construction industry,Under bush I could work all the overtime I wanted, Last 6 months I am woring an average of 24 hours a week. Lets talk about that. Individual stories do not make up a whole picture. lets look at unemployment rates for those perioids.highest year for bush 5.99. Obama 10

eric lavine wrote: Bush did start office with a surplus of money, 1.5 trillion and in 8 short years doubled the deficit..so he blew thru that 1.5 and spent another 2... correct me if im wrong, from his mothers mouth, not my brightest kid, if your going to stand strong for your party, he is included, dont look the other way. 15 billion a month war funds will pay for alot of roads and hungry kids, to put that in perspective, to build an aircraft carrier the cost is roughly 4 billion

Bull honkey weenies Eric.. When Bush left office it was 2.1 trillion dollars. His last year in office he spent greatly on the "War on Ragheads", and got bashed for that. Taxes where low for every class of people, everybody! We where safe from Terorism, and the housing market was destroyed from Mr. Democrat himself "Mr. Bill "Cigar" Clinton, I did not inhale"!! So the bad housing market was not from Bush, but Clinton.
If I had to bash Bush on one thing, he lives in Tx, and most rich wealthy tx boys are in the oil industry. The gas prices where too damb high. I'd rather pay high gas prices, than a President that has gone over writing US citizens and force goverment health care, higher taxes being implemented, re-facing Wallstreet and last but not least, When he went over there and called America "Igorant"!!

The deficit when Bush left was 2.1 trillion
Obama has been there since end of 08
Deficit know, 10.5 trillion dollars actually I think is more around 13.
That's what you call big time spender..

Eric,
Just watch this bastard President when the "National Anthem" comes on. He doesnt even put his right hand to his chest. He is a damb Muslim!! Where is his birth Certificate? Eric, I hope after reading all this great posts from everyone, you will finally start to see what is going on.
I'll take a bad Republican over a good Democrat any day..

I stand with the majority. this guy is a moron.
He's in way over his head. this goes way beyond community orginizing!
He makes Bush look like a genuis! (which he's not)

DeepCreekNauti wrote: Presidents come and go but odds are your congressmen has served multiple terms and voted for all this crap under both a republican and democrat President. Congressional term limits are the solution. 2 terms then throw the bums out!

From your ips to God's ears!!!

I think anyone running for a seat whether Congress or Senate should have to agree to term limits. Most of these guys marriges haven't lasted two terms. Politics should not be till death do us part.

There is a reason why they spend millions to get elected.