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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Now for a question that I don't want to the know the answer to.
This trailer doesn't use leaf springs for suspension. It has these odd trailing linkages. ![]() Last summer when I was driving the trailer with the boat on it, I noticed the suspension seemed to do very little (or nothing) in the way of absorbing bumps. Is there a way to service these types of shocks? Do they just run normally stiff? Should I even worry about them? |
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storm34 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-03-2008 Location: Dexter Iowa Status: Offline Points: 4495 |
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My guess is its rusted in place. See if one if Quinners girlfriends can come sit on the frame and break it loose. Don't let her sit on the fender as those are hard to replace.
Just kidding, signing up to see the answer to the last question. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Chris,
I would use bolts through to the bottom of the rectangular tubing. I believe that's what many have done. Your trailer has torsion bar suspension. The flex is from a rubber insert. I do not believe they are serviceable. |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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That's what I did not want to hear Pete.
I'll have to take a closer look and some pictures when I get the wheel hub assembly off. Right now it's just too cold to mess with grease. |
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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Chris, all of our new trailers are torsion suspension and when you jack the trailer up off the wheels they barley move. I would imagine they would appear not to absorb bumps much. Measure the position of the (knuckle?) not sure the exact term. Jack the trailer up and measure again. In relation to the trailer frame or a fixed piece of the trailer that is.
That'll tell you if it's moving. Sadly it looks like the only way to replace that is with a full axle and you will have to have it cut away from the frame and re welded properly. I did an axle for a fellow out east recently that was a drop center section to match the Ramlin style trailers so worse case scenario..... |
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marlo14 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: February-08-2014 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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There is probably nothing wrong with your axle. The axles Prestige used were rated a 6000# if I remember correctly, which is close to double the capacity it needed to be. If you don't have "trailer" tires on it, that will contribute to a "rougher" riding trailer. The original tires should have been Goodyear Marathon? trailer tires if I recall.
As for disk breaks, they are the best. The locking out to back up issue can be resolved easily, but the cost is truly the only downfall, fairly significant one too! |
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marlo14 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: February-08-2014 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 46 |
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Sorry, disk brakes (sp)
This is my first post and after typing up a description three times as long for some reason it didn't post. |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Thanks Zach and Brandon!
I think you guys are correct. I just spent a couple of hours researching torsion bar suspensions online and there seem to be a few constants. 1. They don't fail very often. 2. When they do fail, they tend to sag quite a bit. You can see from my pictures that this isn't the case. I guess it's just a rough riding trailer. I would, however, like to get some of Quinner's Angels to bounce on the trailer for kicks. |
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shawn123 ![]() Groupie ![]() Joined: July-28-2013 Location: indiana Status: Offline Points: 67 |
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Frankenotter, I feel your pain. Indiana this year has been well.....for the lack of better terms at this point. COLD. we have not seen the ground since late November and our average high has been 7 degrees for about the last month and a half. I drive truck and ran Milwaukee for 18 months you guys should be used to the cold. lol. I myself have wanted to get started on some things but the price of kerosene for the salamander is out weighing the thought of just waiting for warmer weather.
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if it floats it's not sunk
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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Yea, Salamanders are thirsty in an un insulated open barn like ours. :(.
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M3Fan ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-22-2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3185 |
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Torsion axle on my Ram-Lin rides like a dream, seriously. it has a decent amount of suspension travel, too, FWIW.
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SKIBUMM ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: February-21-2013 Location: Utah Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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I refurbed my trailer about 5 years ago. I too had not had brakes in a long time and thought about going to disks. I ended up going with electric drum brakes. All I had to purchsed was new backing plates which were not too expensive and they work fantastic. I was worried about them holding up being submerged a lot but I have had 5 years of trouble free braking and no need for a lockout to back up my very steep driveway. I took off the drum last year to check thme and there is zero signs of corrosion.
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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Did you just use regular old electric drums like I would use on my car trailer? The drum/backing plate assemblies are so freakin cheap compared to all the other crap that goes along with surge brakes.
Edit: not to mention solid couplers work 1000 times better as a general rule than surge brake couplers. |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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I too used plan old electric brakes on one of my trailers. Yup, they are cheap and I too have had no problems. Even though the truck was pre wired for the brakes, setting it up was more work than putting the brakes on the trailer! ![]() One nice thing about electrics up here in the north is if you get into a ice/jack knife situation, you hit the trailer brakes and they straighten you out. I've used the technique twice in say 20 years. |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Anyone have a preferred choice of marine carpet?
I need some to cover the new bunks that are 14 feet long. I also need much wider stuff to cover the steps on the side of the trailer. I'd estimate two pieces 9x3 feet. Suggestions? Not so big on diamond plate btw. |
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quinner ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: October-12-2005 Location: Unknown Status: Offline Points: 5828 |
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I have used the stuff from Menards on my lift bunks and rails, seems decent enough. Comes in a 12' roll, black in color.
Actually maybe it's an 8' roll?? |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13523 |
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Must have had a MIGHTY cold summer up there to be driving on ice when you pull your boat out on Labor Day weekend... |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Progress is being made on the 176 trailer. Over the last few weeks I was able to get it sandblasted, torn down, primed, and painted. This was a terrible job in the Wisconsin winter and I don't think I'll be doing it again. At least not without a proper spray booth.
The final choice ended up being PPG Omni Epoxy Primer and Seaguard 1000 topcoat. I know there will be objection to this (I got as many suggestions as there are paints in the world), but in the end, it was available and fit the criteria. That being said, the sandblasting revealed a lot about this trailer. 1. It revealed the depth of the pitting. 2. I found a few spots along the bunks and steps that held moisture which accelerated the corrosion. 3. The sandblaster used medium that was far too coarse to be painted over. There were a lot of left over imperfections including a textured look to the entire frame. With the application of the primer and paint, that texture is still present. For anyone reading this thread looking for guidance on painting a trailer, I suggest making sure your sandblaser uses fine medium that will leave a smooth surface. If not, use a self leveling primer or sand the trailer until smooth before painting. It was not a priority of mine to make the finish look like a car. My main idea in this project was to make the trailer road worthy and slow the corrosion in the process. Time lapse of us hanging the trailer frame from the ceiling of the garage. We used a propane torpedo heater in this insulated garage with a fan exhausting the fumes on the side. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I used a 3M respirator with 6001 filters and P95 pre-filters. I did not even smell the paint once until I took the mask off. It worked very well. ![]() ![]() |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Parts ![]() Old drum brakes with cracked cylinders. ![]() New brakes and bearings ![]() I have started assembling the trailer again but I ran out of time to take pics. I'll post more of the results when I get back next week. Next post should cover bunks, running the brake lines, and beginning the wiring of the lights. |
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Dreaming ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May-21-2010 Location: Tacoma, WA Status: Offline Points: 1870 |
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looks good :) glad you got it figured out.
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phatsat67 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: March-13-2006 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 6157 |
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Look at Chris go!!
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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So, I totally forgot to end my trailer thread.
For anyone who is still interested, here is the conclusion. Here are the new bunks being fitted. The originals were cut down to a bevel to it would closely match the angle of the hull. Steve K and I replicated them on a table saw. I drilled and tapped any holes that could not be salvaged from the original pattern. ![]() I slowly (over several hours) used ratchet straps to bend the bunk rails. I would click them a few times, drill and tap the next hole, and then let it sit for a while as not to crack it. ![]() I kidnapped this man (Skutsch) and chained him to the trailer. I told him he could see his family again when he was done wiring the trailer. It worked. Steve did an amazing job protecting everything from the moisture. I'll let him field any wiring questions. ![]() The lights in action. ![]() ![]() |
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Air206 ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-28-2008 Location: Roanoke, VA Status: Offline Points: 3004 |
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Beautiful! - LOVE me a good trailer restore thread!
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Got the rails covered with bunk carpet. *****Be careful, this stuff is slick. The boat doesn't stick to the trailer like it used to with the old stuff. Keep the winch attached at the launch until you matt it down a bit. You can also see the new 3/4" marine ply was cut and awaiting carpet. ![]() We got our hands on a gantry crane to make boat placement a snap. ![]() ![]() ![]() After carpeting the steps and bolting the guide poles back on, the project was 98% complete. I still need some Nautique guide pads and a few decals (Marty?) ![]() ![]() ![]() Total cost for the entire project including tools and materials - about $1,100. That's including two brand new Goodyear Marathon 225/75r15s. It took about three months of working on it about 2 days per week. (with LOTS of help from others) Hope this helps someone thinking about doing a trailer in the future. Cheers! Chris |
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8122pbrainard ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-14-2006 Location: Three Lakes Wi. Status: Offline Points: 41045 |
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Chris,
What did Steve use to keep the wiring intact to the trailer frame? I'm curious since that'a always one weak point on trailer wiring. On two of my trailers I actually used pvc pipe to run the wiring in. I also hope he used some decent heat shrink type "sta-kons" for all of the connections and did NOT use any insulation displacing connectors. You are absolutely correct about slippery bunks. They can be a problem at the ramp. In fact, we have a well know member (the best on the camera) that actually lost his boat on the ramp due to slippery bunks. If I remember correctly I think he sprayed them with silicone. Big damage!! Do a search and you will find Tim's thread. Sorry to bring this again Tim but all should know. ![]() |
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Frankenotter ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August-26-2012 Location: Milwaukee Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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Steve will have to tell you the details, but I know he had some pretty hefty commercial grade wiring components. I didn't have the budget for wiring that would last forever, but if this stuff gave out in the next 10-15 years id be surprised.
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IAughtNaut ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-22-2010 Location: TN Status: Offline Points: 2568 |
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looks awesome dude, nice work. you should really be proud of that effort
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13523 |
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Someone mentioned starting the bunks in the front that way you have leverage bending them in place. Just make sure you don't end up short! Lots of work that was I'm sure. Looking forward to seeing it all very soon!
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81nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: September-03-2005 Location: Big Rock, Il Status: Online Points: 5817 |
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That gantry crane is just plain old cheating Chris.
I've used HW's suggestion a couple of times and started at the front and worked back, it does give you a lot of leverage. On lumber selection , trailer bunks is the only time I go to the lumber yard and look for sticks with the largest hook I can find, LOl. I usually the guy that empties half the lift of lumber before I find the straightest piece on the rack but for bunks it's just the opposite. So job well done, looks great, should stop on a dime, ride nice and hopefully you'll have turn signals! ![]() |
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