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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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Those are the GT40p heads. The correct spark plugs are Autolite 764. What plugs were you running? |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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A guy in the cla$$ifieds is selling a complete gt-40 and trans for 2k in which you could re-sell the trans to re-coupe if you decide to go that route.... thats not a bad deal
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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Eric, if youre talking about this post, its just a standard reverse rotation 351w (not a GT40), but it would have dropped in nicely.
Unfortunately, I believe he said on another forum that its already sold. |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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day late dollar short
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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The plugs that I was using was a Champion RS12YC does this present a problem ?
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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I will take some pictures when I gert home this afternoon and post for you to look at. Visually I do not see any scaring or marking on the cylinder walls.
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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Champion lists that plug for the Ford 3.0 V6, 4.6 V8, 5.4 V8 and 6.8 V10 (all SOHC motors, I believe). Doesnt look like its listed for any of the pushrod Windsor V8's. It looks like the RS12YC has the same physical dimensions (.708" reach) as the RS14C6, which would have been the correct Champion plug. I dont know how the heat ranges compare. |
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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Get a good picture of the number 6 piston and take a shot of the number 6 head area, maybe we can determine if it was heat or possibly something else to blow the hole in the piston, I really dont see any quick cure for this, sorry to say eric
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GottaSki ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: April-21-2005 Location: NE CT Status: Offline Points: 3365 |
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Friends don't let friends run Champions..
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"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worthwhile as messing around with boats...simply messing."
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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does it really mater what put the hole in it? It's there and most likely it's a compination of errors that caused the problem, Rebuild the motor top to bottom and be done with it.
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eric lavine ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: August-13-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 13413 |
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79 well, nice to hear from ya.... it would be nice to figure out what happened so he doesnt go for round 2,
maybe it was a carb problem and a new carb dont come with a new engine what rattled your chain? |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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well one of two things happened, it got hot and burned the hole or it jumped the chain and but a valve thru it. What elese do you need to know. Secondly the damn kids where d*cking with it so it's hard telling what else the clowns did, octane boost isn't going to burn the hole by it's self, it would require a lean jetted carb and hot plugs in addition of the octane boost. I'm betting the dumb a$$' drove the piss out of it and floated a valve and punched it throught the piston, then drove it pack to the dock to screw it up more.
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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Easy does it. My kids are not dumb a$$es, were not d*cking with it. They were Barefooting and running the Boat wide open. And no they did not drive it back to the dock. They called me on the phone and we towed back to the dock. After getting it home we began to look things over and started it at home. If all you want to do is criticise sorry. I appreciate everyone that is trying to help. Is that not what this site is about ???
And by the way the valves are in place so the valve did not cause the hole. |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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ok then you burnt a hole in the piston then, so that means you have a lean running engine with a hotter plug than what the engine requires,then you add the octane boost, kids that don't know better and hell ride the motor all afternoon and never look at the temp gauge once. Not rocket science to figure out the motor is toast and how it happened. Most likely the block and heads can be salvaged, do this do that is a waiste of time now, pull it, completely rebuild the motor and quit worrying about what caused it because you should already know, but you can keep looking and waiste more time if you want. Move on Make sure it's done right the next time, because it wasn't done right the last time otherwise it would not hve burned the piston.
Advise quite d*cking around chasing your tail and pull the motor and fix it, don't let the kids tear your boat up hot roding it all of the time. Fix the carb so that it doesn't run on the lean side and burn up the new engine. Easy no brainer crap, or you could lissen to all of the other crap looking for something that you will never find. If there is a hole in the piston, something went through it or it melted only choices for what can cause it plan and simple, make it more complicated if you want but you will never catch your tail doing it. |
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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Thank you 79 Nautique. Have a good day
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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straight and to the point no need to lead you any other way. But it sure sounds like you prefer the bullsh*t way instead,,, mickey mousing around with crap you don't need too. Find a good mechanic and let them fix it and be sure they re-jet the carb so it doesn't run lean anymore
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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Easy, Chris- the guy is asking intelligent questions. He trying to figure out: A)if the failure was due to a shoddy rebuild or if he caused the damage (octane booster/wrong plugs) B)if the motor is worth rebuilding or if he should just get a new shortblock. Its not like hes trying to JB Weld the piston back together. 82, post some pics of the damage and get the opinion of the experts here. Id also speak with the shop that did the rebuild and see if they can offer any insight, or a discount on a rebuild. While he may not sugarcoat it, '79 is right- once you get a new/rebuilt motor, make sure you go through it (carb jetting, spark plugs) to make sure the same thing doesnt happen again. |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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how long and how many hours are on the re-build, is it out of warrenty?.
If it is a fresh rebuild it should be warrentied, well,it should have had one, it doesn't know that you have taken it apart to figure it. WARRENTY VOIDED now, It should have been taken directly to who ever built the motor |
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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ok it had 50 hr's since the rebuild how many days after the re-build is that?
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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79nautique ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872 |
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ok no warrenty, no need to go back unless they going to do it again and install it too. If they installed it before then you might be able to get something out of them
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TRBenj ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: June-29-2005 Location: NWCT Status: Offline Points: 21195 |
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A$$uming the motor was maintained and not abused, is 50 hrs in 2 years an acceptable life expectancy for a rebuilt motor? Unless it can be determined that '82 somehow caused the failure, one would *hope* that the shop would be willing to work with him to repair the motor. I wouldnt necessarily get pushy if its out of warranty, but it doesnt hurt to consult the shop. |
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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Ok here's some of what I found out today.
Talked to shop that did the rebuild. Said any of the following could have caused this. 1. Run to lean 2. Clogged jets or inconsistent fuel to engine 3. Moisture or water in the gas 4. Leaking Gasket under Carb. Leaking manifold gasket, Leaking Head gasket 5. Timing to far advanced. He also said that probably the only way for the octane booster to cause the problem was if it was not blended with the gas well. He highly doubted this was the cause. He is willing to work with me on the problem. The motor was rebuilt in 2002, as I stated earlier less than 50 hrs on rebuild. He suggested: 1. Checking the heads, pulling valves and etc. and preasure test them. 2. Checking all the pistons from the bottom side to see if the entire engine was hot 3. Check all the rings, replace as needed 4. Replace the obvious 5. Rebuild the carb 6. Pay special attention to the timing, advancing even 2 degrees could cause the problem. In closing until we find out more I will pull the engine out and see what happens. In talking to several people and reading the posts here there are many many areas that could cause my problem. But with the hole located directly in the center a detonation has certainly occurred. I will report information as I receive it to let everyone that has showed interest how it comes out. If anything this may help some person in the future. I am sure this is not the first time this has happened to a marine engine in a Correct Craft boat. ![]() ![]() If someone could let me know how to post pictures here I will post the best I could. Thank you |
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92cc ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: December-11-2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 34 |
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a good mechanic will and should always find out why something failed so it can be repaired properly the next time,you don't just keep throwing new parts at it.
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13520 |
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Thank Randy |
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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I will try the picture post of Piston
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/82nautique/piston1-3.jpg |
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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![]() Try this again |
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82 Nautique 1 ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January-06-2007 Location: Rock Island, IL Status: Offline Points: 265 |
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OK I think we have it now. Damaged # 6 Piston from 1982 Ford 351.... Sorry
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r218/82nautique/piston1.jpg Thanks randy for the posting information |
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Hollywood ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: February-04-2004 Location: Twin Lakes, WI Status: Offline Points: 13520 |
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