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Gary I had to LOL...there cannot be a guy under 40 that would even know what that little hole on the end of the bit was for. But you are right...the wire would usually break before it came back thru that hole.

Pete; You know one of our "magic" tricks. The chain would always fall around any hidden obstructions in the wall enabling you to get a string and then a wire thru.

Jim; The worse is when them guys drill a hole to the outside then "rope" the wire all the way around your house...putting little staples in your siding that will start to rust as soon as the installer leaves the yard.

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That is close to what the guy did at my brothers, except he had a spool of cable and just unwound it until he got to the back of the house and could put it through the hole. No sense of pride.
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Jim, kinda like them guys that work for Ford now, versus the guys that built the first Mustangs.......LMAO
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dr; if my memory serves me right...you are driving a new Mustang..right? My bro had one of the new Red GT's when he was still getting his lease rides before retirement. Nice car. Mrs jbear drives a '93 Triple White.....very cool ride and gets lots of comments.

I don't think pride is in the phone man dictionary any more Jim execpt for some of the older guys (sorry Gary...don't mean to call ya old)

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Wrong, Karen had a new Mustang. First Ford product in my drive since a Granada, boy was that a POS.The pony ate too many oats and the Plymouth Grand Voyager@241,555 was ready for a life easier than pulling a CC or a Hobie.Have no complaints about the FoMoCo , well built and a blast to drive. No shakes rattles or glithes. We traded both in and bought a new Dodge Grand Caravan, big motor and tow bar.Lottsa of room , great gas mileage 24 mpg, four wheel disc,and traction control.
Had to be practical on this purchase, mid life crisis is over,time to get back to 53 again.........
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Sorry dr guess I mis-understood.

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I know what you mean, it's the same all over. I work with some guys that take a lot of pride in what they do. Then there are guys that will say that's good enough it works. I preffer to look at a job and say I want to be willing to put my name on this job and let everyone know who did.

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Sometimes the more we talk on here ..the more I realize that there is more in common here among some of us than just these old boats.

Even if I was working in the underground..where no-one goes unless they have to....and no-one sees your work..I still wanted guys to think "I bet the bear was in here"

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There absolutely nothing wrong with having pride in your work.
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John,there are exceptions to every rule,but for the most part it seems that if you started in the Bell System you have a different attitude.
In '91 because of this boat,I had to buy a 5.0 Mustang LX sedan.Bought it in October of 91 for 10,500 it was a Ford program car, sold it in 98 for 6000.Not counting normal wear and tear,the only thing I had to replace was the radiator and the exhaust.Tough to drive in the winter,but it was one of the best if not the best car I've ever owned.
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The notch backs were great cars, always wanted one. But finding one in good shape at a reasonable price not easy to do.
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mrs jbear's first Mustang was a '85 GT. It was a hot car back then. Now she is in the Triple White which also runs the 5.0 GT motor. I always liked those notchback cars...looked like a mini coupe.

Man are you right Gary...the Bell System was just that...a way of doing things and relating to people...both in and out of the company. After the break-up all bets were off...never the same...but still...a pretty good way to spend your work days...huh?

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I have an 86 Mustang GT with T-Tops.
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Jim I know what you mean,that was one of the reasons I got rid of it.I normally run them into the ground,but I knew it was still worth something.I fixed the normal rust bubble on the trunk lid and my wife needed a new car to go to work,60+ miles a day,where as I drove 14,so I took her Jeep and she got a new one.I liked the fact it was a real sleeper compared to the GT's of those years,no boy racer spoilers or airdams.Glad I had a chance to own one.
John It's always easy to knock the place when your with your coworkers,but boy do we stick up for it when someone else complains.Coming up on my 31st year and have no regrets.Met my wife there,put our son thru school,kept a roof over our heads and since they paid for all the toy's ie CC's,gotten to know you guy's.
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I am torn between upgrades for the Air, restoration of the BFN, or restoring my mustang. I think the boats will win out.
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The boats always win jim...cost no object.
BTW...I had a '77 Firebird "Smokey and the Bandit" if ya know what I mean...with T-tops which I thought was soooo cool but the dumb things always leaked and rattled. Like sunroofs much better.

Gotta agree with every word Gary.....Gots lots of toys from working in them m-holes and climbing them poles. Great memories...just like it should be.

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Last evening I noticed two guys walking up to my house. I though I was about to be solicited by one of the religious groups noted for their door to door tactics. Seeing they were carrying clip boards rather than bibles I felt safer! Turns out they wanted me to convert but it was over to AT&T fiber optic service. The pitch of course is the speed of the fiber. I said no because I felt I'd been screwed enough through the years of Illinois Bell, Ameritech and then AT&T. With the door to door sales, it sounds like project Lightspeed isn't going over to big!! BTW, I through out the "Lightspeed" term at them and they were amazed that I knew something about the service.

Gary, John and I've forgotten our 3rd member phone employee,
I never remember ANY cable work in front of my house indicating fiber was strung. There has been alot of work going on with a rather large install of a enclosure about a mile from my house. Do they go from that with existing copper to my house? Wouldn't that really hurt the speed? So far I've been happy with my cable, phone and high speed internet.


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Hey guys,
I just got on the site and here is 2 pages of phone company talk. Amazing!
The thing that's driving us nuts over here is that they are closing down our NOC's & test centers and they have been moved to N Carolina and Dallas. We've lost that local feeling having the NOC in Sacramento where you knew everyone. And the funny thing is they do things differently so when you talk to them, you both end up confused because it's like talking two different languages.
Now they are standardizing all our systems that we use in the C.O. and dont think that didn't cause a lot of confusion.
Gary, when is your contract up? Ours is in April. What are you hearing over there? At least JBear doesn't have to worry about strikes any more. Jbear, don't forget to bring beer to your brothers on the picket line.
Pete, are you a phone guy too? If you are, I must have forgotten. Guess I'm getting old; time to retire... Oh wait... My 401K aint worth anything now.
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Kurt,
Ok, now I remember you're the other CCfan/phone person!! No I'm not - just know enough to know the difference between "tip" and "ring"!


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Pete,
Yes, if that's what they're installing, it would be fiber to that point, then existing copper cable from that point to your house. If that's what their installing, you will probibly notice phone guys working in the cable around your neighborhood. They must "condition" the existing cable pairs to make the high speed data work to your house. That means cutting the cable pairs so they stop at your house instead of continuing on down the street like they do now. Hell I'm still working on a SLC96. I have to get my internet from satalite.
Your pairs may also be connected to another cable that goes down another street for example. They must cut those cable pairs off as well so there is a direct path of one cable pair from the box to your house with no other side legs or "bridge tap" as we call it.
I personally can't wait to have it installed at my house. I'm afraid I will be waiting a long time though. I am completely rural and it's not profitable for the company to install this service in rural homes.
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Kurt: How did you find this old thread? Can't believe ya missed out the first time around.

Wow...condition..out end..bridge tap....ain't heard them words in awhile. Find it hard to believe your service comes from a slc96. They were gone in Ohio 10 years ago. Can't believe anybody has a card left for them. They were incredably unreliable in Ohio. Worked at the IX Center doing big shows for awhile and we had 4 of those junkers in the baesment making our dt. Used to hope that one wouldn't go down during the Boat Show or the Car Show.

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Alright, what about the speed problem? "Do they go from that with existing copper to my house? Wouldn't that really hurt the speed?"
The copper must hurt if they are going to the trouble of conditioning the pairs.


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I've been pretty busy the last couple of nights so I've missed this. Pete from what I've been told and just to refresh I worked on the conditioning project almost 2yrs ago for 4 or 5 months. It is the existing copper from the "v rad" thats the box the fiber terminates at,to your house.You have to be within 3000 ft of the v rad and that means cable length not as "the crow flies". Your existing phone line still gets to your house the "old way" copper,pair gain or what some call slc96,or DPG fiber,but then the data,either tv or computer is injected at the v rad into the pair that goes to your house. Think of the conditioning as being say three wires spliced together. You don't want the signial going over that say second wire. If you just cut off that wire that little piece left there can act as an antenna and disrupt the signial. So to stop that you cut them all apart and reconnect just the two you need.
John we still have slc 96 here and can even think of 1 Fujitsu still working here.
Kurt, I can't wait either but even tho I'm in "town" I'm 5000 ft from the v rad so until they figure how to pair bond or use repeters,I'm out of luck. My area has been conditioned over a year ago,the v rads all in but in a town over 7 miles away there is a right away problem for the fiber ring so two towns with about 40,000 people are still waiting. Then about 2-3 weeks ago most of the help that was doing the conditioning were term employees and were layed off. Our contract is up June 27, we hear of sipps but they are just rumors.It's getting slow but we'll just have to wait and see. It would have been nice to get Verizon's deal from last spring,but the company has said "We are not Verizon" so there you go. I hope the brains of this country get the economy going so all of us here won't be saying, well at least I have a job.It seems to me since 9-11 that we have been just sputtering along.

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Originally posted by jbear jbear wrote:

Kurt: How did you find this old thread? Can't believe ya missed out the first time around.


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My bad. I just happened to see it, saw the last post was in November. Didn't realize it was 2007!! Guess I didn't have my glasses on.

Edit: Looking back I see that Pete revived the old post.

Pete,
I think you would be happy with the whole package. U-Verse has some really cool features on the television side of it. You can watch a show you recorded on your DVR,then move that show to another t.v. in your house. Say your watching a movie in the living room, then you move into the kitchen, you can watch that same movie in your kitchen.

As far as the data stream on the copper, the total speed if you have fttn or fiber to the node, copper to the house is 27mb/s. Thats 26mb/s downstream and 1 mbp/s upstream.
If you have fttp or fiber to the prem the speed is 27mb/s downstream and 3.2 upstream. This is enough to carry hi def t.v. high speed data and pots or plain old telephone service.
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Not to worry Kurt. I knew Pete had brought. Nice to see you weight in tho. Always like a little shop talk that I can understand.

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Pete,
I think you would be happy with the whole package. U-Verse has some really cool features on the television side of it. You can watch a show you recorded on your DVR,then move that show to another t.v. in your house. Say your watching a movie in the living room, then you move into the kitchen, you can watch that same movie in your kitchen.


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I think you should be going door to door selling the service instead of climbing up ladders, going in holes in the ground or standing in a bucket all day long!

I,m still not buying into it. I've still got the bad feeling about the years of poor service and the days I would go without a phone with the "bell" companies. I learned early during one of these outages that my copper came to my house in a very odd manner. The Illinois Bell repairman told me one day that my house and my neighbors were done in the 40's. It still ran to a old utility core across the street that was no longer technically legal and probably never was a easement. Down a old 4 pair (the only cable still on the poles), back across the street, across another street to the "new" cabling done in the 60's. I also found out the hard way after my house reconstruction and adding phones, that I was on the far end of this cabling from the office. The same Bell repairman told me I'd be lucky to get two (electro mechanical) phones to ring. After every outage, I never got anywhere with my requests for new cabling. I wonder if they could even condition my existing! I've got the feeling that the door to door salesmen pushing the fiber lost there way! I'm way over the 3000 from the closest V rad!


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Originally posted by jbear jbear wrote:

Not to worry Kurt. I knew Pete had brought. Nice to see you weight in tho. Always like a little shop talk that I can understand.

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On a related aside, my company contributes to standardization in the CO. We are a TAC/Andover Controls dealer and we do all the building automation controls in the state of Wisconsin for AT&T (nee SBC, Ameritech, Wisconsin Bell). We have shop wiring diagrams with all 3 logos as we have been doing telco work since the early '80s.

Also, we had a set of Vrad batteries explode just a few blocks from my house a year or two ago.
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One of my "repairs" done in the late 70's before I rebuilt and rewired my house was very concerning to me. No dial tone so the Bell repairman shows up. He went into my basement and in less than 5 minutes comes back up telling me he had found a problem with the junction and fixed it. I don't know why I went down to look at it but evidently my distrust with bell was already growing on me. Well, the "repair" involved him removing the two brass cartridges (sorry but I don't know what they are called) from the old porcelain "interface". I knew enough that these were not fuses but when blown during a lightning hit would short and shunt the lightning strike to ground. At least now, I did have a phone to call repair again. Another repairman was there within a hour and replaced the cartridges!!


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