1950 CC Junior Utility Restoration

juniorwoody wrote: Hi Pete, I have contemplating the possibility of making a larger or wider stem that would allow me to trim some bad plywood without altering the boat length. Ever seen that done?

Jack,
Yes, I have once. It was on a pretty hacked up ply boat I saw at one of the shows years ago. The thing looked like a flat nosed Bull dog!! I don't feel you would like the way it would look ether.

You didn't like my idea of pulling the stem back but I feel it's a good option. It will not change the looks of the hull nor will it change the way the hull handles. It can't be more than about 3/4" as mentioned before. Trust me, they never built them that accurate anyway!

Jack,
How about some better pictures of the stem damage. I took another look at the one you posted and towards the top it doesn't look like much damage. It'd down from the deck 6" to 12" where I see most of the problem. Maybe a slight radius change on the stem would allow you to cut back the hull side ply.

I think you will find the deck ply to be butt blocked and the hull sides were scarfed. You will not find sheet goods in 16' lengths and the reason I brought up scarfing a few posts ago.

On the cost, I have seen decks come out beautiful using 1/4" luan underlament!!!

for lumber and ply, take a look at LL Johson

juniorwoody wrote: 8122pbrainard wrote: Jack, How about some better pictures of the stem damage. I took another look at the one you posted and towards the top it doesn't look like much damage. It'd down from the deck 6" to 12" where I see most of the problem. Maybe a slight radius change on the stem would allow you to cut back the hull side ply. I think you will find the deck ply to be butt blocked and the hull sides were scarfed. You will not find sheet goods in 16' lengths and the reason I brought up scarfing a few posts ago. On the cost, I have seen decks come out beautiful using 1/4" luan underlament!!! for lumber and ply, take a look at LL Johson

if you are saying that the long ply is not available than it becomes a question of where to make the scarf joint. I have in stock some fine 3/8 marine ply. Will post pics soon even though I get a bit ahead of myself. Wait till you see the damage caused by the trailer post! Anyways let me complete my stringer installation so that my commitment is final.

Not surprised to see that, classic correct craft stem falling apart. There is black lower down too so it'as not only falling apart but it is rotting. Total replacement back to the keel like my previuos picture. Laminated or 2 piece whichever your more comfortable with.

I would forget getting that plywood back to a bright finish if it ever was that way it won't be again. If your going to paint you may be able to salvage/scarf it back together but bright I wouldn't think so. There is also plnrty of black on the edges of the ply which to me means the integrity of the bond is suspect also, it may not even hold new fasteners. Every other joint in that boat is going to have the same issues. A real close inspection is warranted and I can only recommend you don't skimp on putting it back together, These were not origianlly very sturdy boats and time has not been kind to any of them this old. At the very least the entire boats needs to be refastened, if me I would remove all plywood, clean, repair frames,etc, seal and adhere useable plywood back on with 5200 and go from there.

In any case Jack you know you have to pull the stem so I'd flip it over and do that, that will show you the next step as you take it apart. I have a pretty strong feeling on what you'll find.

Persistance pays and practice makes perfect. More on the stringer replacement;

Jr. There are a few mistakes in your post above. First off her name is " Waitin' on the Doc" and clearly displayed on the transom. Second would be her owner,The Boat Dr AKA Billy Sutton. This boat was a birthday gift from my wife on my 55th.Except for exterior paint on the bottom and the sides the boat is all original, making her presevered , not restored.
Always willing to share with a fellow CC owner,1-318-386-2825
The Dart was the first of the many wooden Correct Crafts to be purchased and brought to Louisiana to live out their lives in a warmer climate..
Good luck and listen to the wise men here, there are three ways to complete a task.... Which one will you choose...........Billy

There is also a 1955 CC Deluxe Commutor, A 1957 CC StarFlite, and a Rare 1964 Aqua Deluxe. This was possibly the last woody to be built at the Pinecastle factory.
   

[QUOTE=8122pbrainard] Jack,
That score line may be a good clue to how the hull was finished. I have been wrong before!! However, there was plenty of inconsistencies with CC back then plus, Billy's Dart is not a Junior. Records are slim!! Have you looked through the reference section? There is some info there but I believe it's the later years of the Junior.

Greetings Pete, When I saw the factory paint jobs on both the Runabout and the Dart in this 1949 brochure http://www.nautiqueowner.com/reference/1949_brochure/ I recognized it to be very much like mine. Making the best guess assumption that it was original would also give me a bit of flexibility in the location of my repair at the bow hull. I even may consider making a patch right at the paint line that partitions this detail. What do you think?

I have been following this thread and commend you on taking on this epic project! Wooden restores are fascinating to me and I could see myself doing one down the road. Have not had much to add, but I do have some experience with 3m 5200. It is basically a below the waterline use caulk but with remarkable flex and bond characteristics. On a fiberglass boat it is mostly just used for through-hull fittings and anywhere that a screw or fastener is used to seal water out. In a wooden boat layup I think it is used for more than just that, and is a wonder material of modern science over the original materials.

8122pbrainard wrote: Jack, A scrib line always indicates a separation of colors of bright and or paint. Yes, if the area forward of the scribe was painted, it sure would give you an easy out on the ply repair at the stem. How about a picture of the scribe again but not so close. I'm curious to see it's complete shape.

Got a bunch or pictures Pete. The sizing process is sure time consuming.

Between the blue residuals from bygone days and the scribes on the bow I need to come up with a best guess as to original or closest to original finish schedule. The blue seems to show up early on if not from the beginning. Could possibly be a red white and blue with the while as the waterline and up the bow. You have seen many I suspect so your input is greatly appreciated and any others care to offer a credible guess are certainly welcome.

New stringers have been fit and temporarily reinstalled with one coat of CPES to hold them till the interior gets worked on later. Now the boat is ready to flip.

juniorwoody wrote: The sizing process is sure time consuming

I like photobucket for that reason. Once you set the parameters(size,etc), all of your future uploads are automatically adjusted.

There's a thread on here that tells how to use it.

Photobucket.com

Jack,
Billy sent me a couple close up shots of his Dart so I could post them for him (he has some issues with pictures!! ) They may be helpful.





Double check the white on the hull. There may a problem with it being the true waterline. Are there scribe lines on the white aft?

Billy,
I again had to forward your pictures home and post them from here. My computer at work will not allow me to download your file type!!

Thanks so much to both you and Billy, Pete. Those pictures may just be a big help. I need to review. My son has a hunch the deck was painted and it just might have been with that blue perimeter and the white center. There is a scribe along the transom that fits the waterline in white however there are blue residuals perhaps under the white. It is quite a trick the way the waterline splits at the bow. Will get transom pictures soon.

Jack,
Keep in mind that I'm still not to sure Billy's Dart is done correctlt at the bow area. Man, he and I went "around and around" on the paint how it should be done for at least a week!!!!!!

BTW, The new stringers look great!! I'm glad you went the Doug Fir route.