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81nautique
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Mark, good to see you again last weekend and glad you made it home safely. here's what I've found so far, after discussing this with Dave Van Ness who rebuilt the water pump we're pretty sure we've got it figured out.
It is simply a bad thermostat. Inside that thermostat housing there is of course a stat and a pressure relief valve. With the raw water pump functioning correctly there is sufficient water pressure in the loop to bypass a small amount of it to the exhaust elbows to keep them cool while the engine is warming up. The stat in this motor is normally open. In the open (cold)state, water is redirected back down to the raw water pickup and recirculated back into the engine. This recirculation occurs until the engine gets up to 135 degrees, the stat closes and allows hot water to exit via the exhaust elbows. The stat will regulate how much water exits opening and closing the recirc loop to keep the engine temp constant. With the stat frozen open the hot water never exits the motor and is only being recirculated back into the engine so the temps continue to climb. The pressure relief valve has 4 small openings that allow just enough water to exit to the exhaust elbows to keep them from over heating that's why I was getting a fairly normal temp reading on them with the gun even though the system was not functioning properly. A quick fix for last weekend would have been to simply take a pair of vise grips and clamp off that recirc line, that would have forced the hot water to exit the motor via the pressure relief valve. The result would have been like running with no stat at all and we may have run cold but better than the situation we had. Van Ness has rebuilt several of these Hemis and says there really is no issue with the pump sucking air from that return line because that stat when operating properly closes that recirc line off. Biggest problem I have now is finding a new stat, they don't exist. van Ness has a few old ones he is testing to see if they still function and I should find out today, worst case scenario is I install a shut off valve on the return line and force the motor to run a little cold until we get the proper stat in it. I'll post a photo of the thermostat later, it's not a typical spring type stat. It is a wax filled coil that will expand when the wax gets heated, mine must be leaking and can't hold pressure. We're real close now and the boat will hit the water again next weekend down at Lake Clinton and will run this time, I think. |
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Morfoot
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Great news Alan... Never let an Old boat keep a good man down. We knew it wouldn't get the best of you and you'd figure it out! Thanks for the update.
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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IAughtNaut
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Alan you are the man. Even though I saw it pull away from the dock I can't wait to see videos of her under a load.
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8122pbrainard
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I'm very happy you found the problem!! Have you called Hurrikain Marine for the T stat? |
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81nautique
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They don't go back that far Pete, mid 60's seems to be their limit for parts. I think for now the boats going to get a shut off valve so we can run it. Van ness has gone through a dozen stats and still hasn't found a good one. If I have to I'll have a new housing machined this winter that can accept a modern thermostat. |
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SNobsessed
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Alan - With the resources on this site I think we can either fix the one you have, create a 1-off replica, or engineer a new component that will fit. Let's get started with a picture of it . . .
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phatsat67
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Alan have you called up Anthony Keats? They are crazy Canadians that love their marine Mopars. I was going to mention that to you at GL but forgot. Just for reference.
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81nautique
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Well we finally got a fairly successful test drive last Friday. She really ran very good but we identified several issues that I'll need to work on.
I need to cut the floor boards so the shift lever can move forward another inch or so as I can't knuckle the trans into forward, the entire trip I was standing on the shift lever with my left foot to hold it in. Somethings not right with the tach because it's reading real high, gas gauge is not working and I'm not sure if he boat is charging properly yet as I am only getting about 12.5v on the gauge. Not really sure what a generator should be putting out but I would expect a little higher than that. All pretty simple things to just work on and start crossing off the list. As for the test drive, the boat runs real strong and is solid as a rock. I will need to re-prop it though, I have a 13x14 on it and that's not nearly enough, it feels like it will turn quite a bit more prop. I have a 13x17 that came with the motor so I'll put that on next and see what that gets me, I really thought that would be too much for it but I'm not sure now. So anyway here are a couple of short videos from Friday, it was just Dana and I so they're all from inside the boat. We planned to run it again Saturday but I couldn't get it fired up, no/weak spark which leads me back to whether the generator is putting out or if we we're running on the battery and slowly discharging it. So enjoy what we've got for now and we'll keep at it. test drive 1 test drive part 2 test drive part 3 |
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62 wood
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I had a BIG SMILE on my face, just watching the video. Can't image how you both had to feel!
Made all those hours you invested worth it!!! |
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Randy_in_Ohio
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67nautique312
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WOW....that thing sounds great....and what a great wake for skiing! I would have been nervous as HELL the first time out with that thing!!....
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89Martinique
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For the tach, how many cylinders is it setup for? they can be set for 4,6, or 8. And different types of signals. The voltage gauge, never trust the gauge. Both of my boats only barely showed 12 volts when running, after rewire, 14 volts. Check with a VOM, you want 14 volts.
Oh, and sweet test drive. Boat looks AMAZING! Bravo! |
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TRBenj
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All that fuss over a failed thermostat... glad to hear it was something simple after all! Looks and sounds great, Alan!
Be cautious about loading the motor up with a big prop- that'll cause more stress than spinning it too high. Hopefully you can get that tach functioning so you have some data to go by soon. I assume the end goal would be to end up with a 12" wheel? I was admiring your prop clearance at GL... wow! |
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81nautique
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Ha, no prop rash yet Tim. I suspect a 12x16 will be close. The thermostat problem is still not resolved as we haven't located a good one yet. I installed a shut of valve to divert hot water out of the engine, temps got to about 120 and stayed there so a little cool but better than the opposite. |
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81nautique
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I have been a bit nervous but the butterflies are gone now Paul, now I just need to get it dependable so I can trust it a little more. |
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bkhallpass
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That ski wake looks pretty good. Spray might get you. Time to pull out that Vintage ski and see what you can do.
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67nautique312
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Well...i'm right there with ya alan....just worked out all the bugs in the yello promo and gonna make a splash(wheather permit)on Friday...
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Morfoot
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Alan, That is totally wicked! She sounds as good as she looks! I too was smiling the whole time I was watching. Probably couldn't wack the smiles of yours and Danas' faces with a 2x4!
CONGRAT'S Y'ALL! |
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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Great to see and hear it on the water.
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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8122pbrainard
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I have a feeling it's a mechanical!! |
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lewy2001
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Great to see it cruising the waterways Alan.
That ski wake looks good. Maybe take some bags next time and see what the surf wake is like. |
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SNobsessed
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I'd wait until you get the tower mounted before adding the ballast system
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Gary S
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Awesome to see video and sound of her run Alan,what can one say that has not already been said? I saw in the thread that you said it had been in a barn since 75,any idea of when it was last on the water?
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RainDog
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The audio worked much better on the posted links. Ran it through my 6V6GT tube desktop amp to really hear that old hemi purr. Video #3 sounded the best, which was positively lovely.
In the absence of champagne, I smashed a bottle of Schlitz on the bow of the Vag pontoon in your and Dana's honor. The whole clan is very happy to see you enjoy the fruits of your protracted effort. And if history is any indicator the remaining 1% (fettling) will not be ignored! |
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My favorite was in video 2 when Dana panned across the starboard side and for moment you could see Alan's face, only for a moment, but there was a big ole smile pasted on that face! Very cool, congrats guys!
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Well put, as usual good sir! |
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8122pbrainard
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Where's the link to the video? I must be missing something?
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SNobsessed
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Pete - up at the post where it says 'Test Drive'
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lewy2001
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Have you tried opening the valve to allow some hot water back into the pickup line. You maybe able to find a sweet spot that gives you the correct operating temperature till you can locate a good thermostat. |
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