You didn build that !

OverMyHead wrote: Again NDP was not my issue. I believe the email is a mostly BS. Without research (I may pay for this) I think it origins has to do with Rush Limbaugh commenting on barrack not holding a national day of prayer CEREMONY as Bush had done during all of his 8 years. Barrack did issue the requisite proclamation. This was followed by him publicly attending the one time Muslim awareness capital hill event. All good BS starts with some element of truth. To me this whole issue is a sideline. The economy and our liberties are my concern.

You wont pay for it because while there are consequences in the real world for providing wrong information, on the right there are no such consequences...

For the record Obama has yet to hold a prayer ceremony, Bush the second held 8, Clinton 0, Bush the first 1, Reagan 1. The email specifically calls out Truman as the creator of the national day of prayer which Obama not only supported but defended in court when it was challenged, Truman also never conducted a service..

As for Obama attending the one time muslim prayer event.. he did not, didnt happen, wasnt there.

So no there was not a shred, kernal, grain, or iota of truth at the base of this email chain. At it's base is a well funded right wing propaganda machine that goes all the way back to the Lewis powell memo of to the chamber of commerce circa 1971. There is no such much Machine on the left, MSNBC seeks to capitalize on increased viewership by telling some people on the left what they want to hear, but that is a rather recent pheonomenon.. and thier viewship is next to nothing. A small fraction of those that are fed boortz, hannity, limbaugh, savage, etc etc etc for many hours a day.    


Contrast that to a well funded conservative effort that has it's roots in Lewis powell’s memo to the chamber of commerce circa 1971.

Groups of conservative entities make money not by providing quality information and therefore attracting a viewership or readership but rather are directly paid to support a side, to conduct “science” and come up with economic justification for, create false emails about, disenfranchise large portions of the population.. well you get it.   The argument is that it happens on both sides, but there is no greed or profit motive for it on the left or the center so it simply doesn’t happen in any real scale.    

So my point is don’t just weigh information based on the source and what someone else tells you about it, look at the source and ask whether they have any real motivation to lie. Name me one study or one scientist that disputes that global warming is occuring and primarily caused by manmade actitivies and I will show you a study that has been funded by a fossil fuel company that makes billions of dollars off of that activity.

Show me one economic study of Mitt’s tax plan that doesn’t say it is a 5 billion dollar giveaway that produces basically the same amount of job growth we would have without it and I will show you something that has the Koch brothers or the chamber of commerce behind it.

So then the guys from the right come along and talk about all that left propaganda coming out of “ivy league teachers lounges” or government funded research… those guys don’t have a greed motive to lie, in fact if they lie (or even if they don’t) they know that there is a well-funded machine that will attempt to discredit them and their work and they will be ruined. To me these sources including much of what is referred to on the right at liberal leaning or lamestream media… are much less likely to produce biased information simply because they experience no benefit when they do so. Humans being what they are sometimes they end up being wrong, and every now and then fox ends up being right but not often enough that I would ever repeat something that I heard on fox and no where else as a fact.

There are a lot of guys getting awefully rich on the right pretending to be religious, pretending to be libertarians, suppressing votes, creating false emails, etc.. they count on some of you guys parroting thier information for them.. you should ask for a cut..

JoeinNY wrote: As for Obama attending the one time muslim prayer event.. he did not, didnt happen, wasnt there.

Obama did hold a Muslim Iftar Dinner tho. which appears to be a RELIGIUOS event?

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skicat2001 wrote: And as a Christian man, I stand against liberals, homo's, your hidden tax hikes, murderning little babies, athesist weirdo's. Those people will have to answer to the higher power one day. I feel sorry for your soul.

WOW, I love those Christian Values.
First of all you are not a man. A man takes responsibility for his actions and treats others with respect and dignity. As an atheist weirdo I stand against Christians who have unprotected sex with multiple sex partners unknown to them for their selfish sexual gratification, spread a deadly virus to these women, then say they have moral convictions against abortion. How many women did you kill by spreading the virus? How many other men are in your predicament because they had sex with these women who were not aware that you had infected them? Your irresponsible actions are a scourge to mankind. I know, it doesn't matter, you're a Christian. God is on your side.
People who claim to have religious convictions are almost always hypocrites. My attitude toward religion has changed since I have read many of the comments posted on this thread. I am sickened by the thought of religion!
Maybe your imaginary friend gave you what you deserve!

Lee, I love you buddy but I wont quote your post because it is painful for me. When you speak as a christian you represent all of us. The old testament is just a prelude and history. (There is something in there about God creating sex for marriage though so you should probably not throw to many stones in your glass house). There is a new testament. The fire and brimstone stuff went out when Jesus taught us to hate the sin but LOVE the sinner. Also from a marketing view point, It is never good to offend potential customers. The God I know is loving and forgiving and the only perfect human there ever was. The rest of us are sinners saved only by his grace and sacrifice. For that we should all be humbled.

Skicat, I don't hate you, and I understand that you are only one of millions who have experienced this tragedy. What is disgraceful is your reference to others with different viewpoints and values. I said before I hope you make a complete recovery and get a fresh start. Maybe you have made peace with some, but you need to show compassion for others. It is comments like you made that undermine the good things that religious organizations do, and I believe they do many unselfish things. Just because I don't believe in a god doesn't mean I don't have many friends who do. The religious friends I have are not hateful. I wish everyone would respect others as fellow human beings. If you are against abortion, don't have one, if you don't like gay marriage, don't do it. I don't try to impose my beliefs on anyone, don't try to impose yours on me or others. Everyone must find their own peace. The pursuit of happiness, that, my friend, is what freedom is all about.
Good luck.

john b wrote: Skicat, I don't hate you, and I understand that you are only one of millions who have experienced this tragedy. What is disgraceful is your reference to others with different viewpoints and values. I said before I hope you make a complete recovery and get a fresh start. Maybe you have made peace with some, but you need to show compassion for others. It is comments like you made that undermine the good things that religious organizations do, and I believe they do many unselfish things. Just because I don't believe in a god doesn't mean I don't have many friends who do. The religious friends I have are not hateful. I wish everyone would respect others as fellow human beings. If you are against abortion, don't have one, if you don't like gay marriage, don't do it. I don't try to impose my beliefs on anyone, don't try to impose yours on me or others. Everyone must find their own peace. The pursuit of happiness, that, my friend, is what freedom is all about. Good luck.

I know you dont hate me. Off course it would seem not right for me to pop off and say certain things. My view point is I have lived bad, and have paid my dues in my suffernings. I want others to do right and not wrong. Why God saved me is still unknown. My sickness brought me much closer with him, and one day we will all have treasure in paradise.

Lee, If this helps I do not think of John as an atheist, just a christian who does not know it yet (Sorry John but I do). We all find our way on our own timeline but wherever someone is on their journey they deserve basic kindness. Especially if their journey has brought them to CCfan.

Thank you Dave, you are a peacemaker.
Lee, I just want the same respect as you do. Why can't we all be happy practicing our beliefs without infringing on those of others? We are all imperfect. Christians believe that they are forgiven when they accept Christ, I believe we can reset the clock when we accept responsibility for the things we have done that have hurt others and make amends. It would be impossible to fairly enforce the law with feelings of prejudice or bigotry. The great thing about this country is that you have the freedom to do as you please within the law.

Essential human ingredient?
Definition:
Greed - reprehensible acquisitiveness; insatiable desire for wealth (personified as one of the deadly sins)avarice, avaritia, rapacity, covetousness
deadly sin, mortal sin - an unpardonable sin entailing a total loss of grace; "theologians list seven mortal sins"

OverMyHead wrote: but ignores the part of the definition concerning those that want more than they deserve(have earned)

Dave, who are you to say what others "deserve"? Don't you think that every human deserves some level of respect and care from his fellow man? I think it is odd that as a vocal Christian you rapidly side with those who have much and turn your back on those who have little.

"I'll say it again--it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!"" Matthew 19:24 New Living Translation

"And the King will say, 'I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!' Matthew 25:40 New Living Translation

Peace,

Jamin

Check this out Western Center for Journalism?
Big time accusations here.

john b wrote: Another big time accusation now verified by Faux news. It has become common knowledge among those close to the O'Bama campaign that operatives within his campaign have conspired on a massive scale to disseminate incorrect information to the public regarding the tire pressure on car models ending in A. Demographics have shown that the models ending in the letter A are more commonly owned and driven by Republican Romney supporters. This conspiracy includes a dark network of Democratic owned Nissan and Acura dealerships responsible for an assault on the English language by naming cars with desecrated words designed to suggest an attribute that is woefully missing in the actual product. Research has determined that Acura and Nissan (once known by the more common English name Datsun) have been complicit with the Muslim Spring Uprising. Names to alter the American lexicon include Acura (accurate), Integra (integrity), Maxima (maximum) Altima (ultimate) ect. Some Americans are now so confused they are no longer sure if they want the Maximum (Maxima) or the Ultimate (Altima). This sinister left wing plot assumes that tire underinflation will keep a small but important segment of the Republican voters away from the polls on Tuesday due to tire problems. Another left wing plot that will undoubtedly result in more people on the government "tire stamp" program.

Just as I suspected agent 99. Do you think KAOS could be involved?

(btw, some of us may show our age if you know what that means)

I dont believe the accusations at all. To my knowledge, the US has never "exchanged" a prisoner for a kidnapped person.

Just wasnt familiar with the source.

62 wood wrote: Check this out Western Center for Journalism? Big time accusations here.

The scariest thing about link is not the article, it is the comments that follow. Wow. Scary.

he missed it by that much ( )