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john....We Agree...... |
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OverMyHead
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Oh So many scandals. Culture in an organization usually comes from the top down. The fact that we have at least four scandals going under the executive branch speaks volumes to this administrations policy of the end justifies the means.
The Benghazi memos released on the talking points clearly show that there was no fog of war as Hillary claimed. Intelligence knew (as many of us did) that it was a terrorist attack and the group responsible day one. The white house and state department changed the story for political gain, and even admitted so in the memos about the CIA's advanced warnings. Concerning the IRS scandal, If this were a private company democrats would be screaming for regulation. Lets regulate the IRS and jail those that defrauded those they are supposed to serve. Certainly we can not have the woman responsible for the division participating in the conservative targeting left in charge of Obama care collections. On Thursday Obama was asked what he knew when, He answered a different question???? Very slippery! |
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Since conservatives are now documented to be subject to discrimination and persecution, when do we get our designation as a federally protected class?
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One thing "O" has lived up to is his "Transparency" .. I could see thru him from day one.
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BuffaloBFN
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This thread should be zinging along, but I guess folks want to stay clear of the lists and all that come with them.
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Riley
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The fact that the IRS is being used against political opponents is frightening. They are the one government agency that you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. It amazes me that the Dems are ho hum about this. I guess the ends justify the means.
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john b
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Ho hum! And I am not a Dem.
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Riley
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You don't think using the IRS by one political party to intimidate members of another political party is a problem?
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john b
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Both parties have been doing this since the colonial days. Lets see where the investigation leads and the cards fall. I am all for investigating allegations of wrong doing, but I can wait until the investigation is complete before I speak. It is always possible to have another Watergate (All The President's Men is one of my favorite books), but it is also possible be misled to a position based on partisan hysteria. As with any investigation lets go forward on reasonable and steady course and not be swayed by this intent on making political hay from unsubstantiated claims. Investigations frequently lead in unanticipated directions. |
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Riley
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The IRS was not around in the colonial days. And while high profile people on both sides have been subject to IRS scrutiny, this seems to be more blatant. And it's amazing how nobody knows nothing.
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BuffaloBFN
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Right on Bruce!
And John, I respect what you're saying about jumping on bandwagons, but the wheels are off most of the wagons already. If the 4th shoe was Fox News, then what is the 5th being spoken of that terrifies the aides? All I know is, for my money, I wouldn't have picked on Fox. This Chicago method is twisting this country into something my late grandfather wouldn't recognize. And I brought him up because it hasn't been all that long. |
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I think we all know and see what is going on with this government (even our liberal friends have to now see it....I hope), and it makes me sick to my stomach to see what Obama has done, and is doing. And yet, he and all his minions "KNOW NUH-THING", just like Sargent Schultz on Hogan's Hero's.
They have their enemies list, and are doing their best to punish them. I saw a quote by Thomas Jefferson today which really struck a cord.... "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty". Thomas Jefferson I think we are in the mode of fearing our government now. |
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OverMyHead
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John, A few days ago you said the investigation was nauseating and should go away. It could have been gone months ago if we were given strait answers. At each step we uncover more misrepresentations (a nice way to say lies), and cover ups. The same is happening with the IRS. Each new lie found means further investigation, so things just keep rolling along. The IRS has already admitted they had targeted conservative groups ahead of the inspector generals report(isn't the government investigating the government about like Enron investigating Enron?) Today we found out senior white house aids knew about the report in April, but no one told Obama ( oh please...I am sorry but does anyone believe that?). This started out as low level staffers, but again the lies keep getting proven wrong, so the investigation continues. The IRS targeting has far reaching implications. Clearly the intention and result of the IRS targeting was to de-fund the groups that had been so effective against big government in 2010. It puts into question the legitimacy of every democrat elected in 2012. For all the lefts complaining of illegitimate presidents we may actually have one, along with politicians at every level of government. If that is not the very definition of a tyrannical government I do not know what is. This from the administration that was supposed to unite us. Personally I think it is grounds to recall every dem elected in 2012. As in Dave's quote, THEY should fear US. Sunday the white house spokes person said the legality of what the IRS did is irrelevant. What?... Really???? The over-riding trends are an attempt to bolster the government machine by disregarding laws, ethics, and individual rights. Very scary yet exactly what many on the right were predicting from an Obama presidency back in 2007. You get the government that you elect. |
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john b
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Do you mean this comment? It says this thread is nauseating and should have died long ago. As far as Ben Gauzie, very few care. That is all. |
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OverMyHead
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Don't dis the thread! Sad that very few care. We have four dead Americans, and a government that fostered the conditions that led to it and then lied about it to get re-elected. Some of us are bothered by that and will have keep caring enough to make up for the rest that don't find it politically advantageous to do so. |
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harddock
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We have a leader who is more concerned with and keeps making excuses for him not knowing anything about these scandals instead of seriously taking a stand. He will ride this out hoping , like other items it will fade away and become old news.
Once Obamacare is fully impimented we will have these same unregulated IRS people deciding who can and who can not get operations or tests or medical care in general. If this can be based on party affiliation or any othe criteria the IRS deems important it will be devistating. It doesn't matter which party your from if the IRS has this much power we can all be in jeapordy |
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if the thread is nauseating why follow it and why feed into it
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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john b
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Good advice! |
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Riley
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I don't understand people having blind faith in politicians, especially when they obviously lie to the public to mislead them. There is no law against public officials lying to the public and there ought to be. What is it about the public sector that turns people into liars? |
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john b
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The only Blind Faith I have is on vinyl. . You make your choice from the available options, for me Obama was the best choice.
And the answer is evident: money & power. |
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OverMyHead
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Thank goodness we didn't end up with a president greedy for power and other peoples money. Thatvwould have been horrible.
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For thousands of years men have felt the irresistible urge to go to sea, and many of them died. Things got better after they invented boats.
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Bush took awayeth the jobs and Obama brought them back, my house is worth exactly what I paid for it 17 years ago, seeing I made the payments on it for those 17 years....the banks way ahead of me on it, WTF im pissed, cant even sell it
OMH, you got robbed and didn't even know it, it aint 10 bucks either, I paid back 200 grand already and owe what its worth. wt double f |
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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OverMyHead
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Holy crap. Eric pops in from out of nowhere with some old fashioned Bush bashing. (Hillary would say what difference does it make now!) Are you coming to green lake Eric? We miss you.
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eric lavine
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might be to busy going on all these job interviews lol, don't know yet, may be re-locating or hitting the reset button here in Cleveland which means no time off for a while....again, this is the first month Ive ever had off in 30 years and im itchin to get back at it, I really want to end up in Florida and just shook hands with the boss at Norfolk Southern railroad to start Tuesday here in Cleveland...but the mojo aint there on my end. my momma would smack me if she knew I was wanting to turn down a railroad job. but, things happen for a reason. We'll see what happens I guess
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"the things you own will start to own you"
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john b
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Nice to hear from you, Eric.
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you should try rebuilding transmissions Eric I bet you would be good at it
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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ERIC!!! Whatever you do...for cripes sake...get back on here.
Florida...cool. Lots of need for a guy with your skills down here. you'll love the weather too. What happened at the Towing company? You pull the plug or them? Had to laugh at the 'transmissions' comment. Anyhow..sure is cool to see you back on here. john |
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Fox News Poll: Majority Thinks White House Knew about IRS Actions
A consensus means its true, right? |
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eric lavine
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I thought of you Jdog when they found Amanda Berry, then I realized she wasn't from Strongsville, maybe kin? lol,
I did go and meet Jodi at Florida inboards in Panama city, damn nice guy, I may end up in Panama city or Jacksonville and will be down to see you |
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jbear
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no kin...unbelievable story tho for those young ladies.
next time down CALL...I'll drive to meet you for cold ones...or come here & visit. john |
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