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Well thanks for the encouragement everyone, I'm really going to enjoy putting wood back on this boat much more than I did removing it. It's as messy as the stringer grinding going on elsewhere just not itchy!
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Alan, in the last pic you have some 'guides' attached to the main form; are those setting up a rabbet for the side planks to go into?

Looks great! How many extra hands did you need on the glue up?

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Wouldn't that be a dado?
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Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

Wouldn't that be a dado?


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No, a dado is a 3 sided grove down the middle of a board whereas a rabbet is two sided on the edge of a board. Since stem and chine "grooves" to accept planking are two sided then it is a rabbet.


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Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:

Alan, in the last pic you have some 'guides' attached to the main form; are those setting up a rabbet for the side planks to go into?



Yes, the planking butts to the stem on the upright portion but at the keel there is a transition from a rabbit to the butt. Not sure how it's all going to line up since the original was pretty shot. I'm winging it a little on this one, I'll add or remove material to suit.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

Wouldn't that be a dado?


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No, a dado is a 3 sided grove down the middle of a board whereas a rabbet is two sided on the edge of a board. Since stem and chine "grooves" to accept planking are two sided then it is a rabbet.


Crap, I mixed them up. Thanks. I'm using a rabbet and dado joint for a beam surround in my dining room. My woodworking neighbor has been educating me on all this stuff. Bad student.
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Looks great! How many extra hands did you need on the glue up?



Good question Greg,I was wondering that too, but a guy with your woodworking skills probably all ready knows!
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Originally posted by BuffaloBFN BuffaloBFN wrote:



Looks great! How many extra hands did you need on the glue up?



Good question Greg,I was wondering that too, but a guy with your woodworking skills probably all ready knows!


If Greg doesn't then I'm sure he can ask for Amy's advice.


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If Greg doesn't then I'm sure he can ask for Amy's advice.


Ha Ha Pete...but she might!    

Alan's hard work brought back some memories of frustration; that would be a serious PITA to glue up with yellow glue!
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

If Greg doesn't then I'm sure he can ask for Amy's advice.


Ha Ha Pete...but she might!    

Alan's hard work brought back some memories of frustration; that would be a serious PITA to glue up with yellow glue!


Dana lended a hand or two but another couple of sets would have been nice. Our mistake was tackling too many pieces at one time and not having much experience with epoxy I was rushing a bit. You can see the first 5 layers where the epoxy is overflowing and making a hugh mess then the next layers got better as we decreased the number of pieces per glue up.

I test fitted the stem last night and it looks great sitting in place.
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Alan (or Pete or Nate)

Question on how the planks fit to the stem

The pictures I see of stems, they are square/flat in the front. Does that mean that there is a gap between the planks and the stem? If the planks are screwed to the stem, how are the joints of planks at the point of the bow secured? I realize there is/may be a breasthook on top (not seen in my picture, but that doesnt explain what happens below that.

Is this what it looks like? What am I missing?

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Larry,

here's a sketch of what I'm trying to accomplish.


This detail doesn't show the lip that Greg pointed out because that will be removed on the upright portion of the stem but is required for the bottom where the stem meets the keel.
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Larry, There should be a stem 'cap' that you put on & shape & the planks would then terminate there.

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Originally posted by nates78ski nates78ski wrote:

Larry, There should be a stem 'cap' that you put on & shape & the planks would then terminate there.

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Some but not all manufacturers used the stem cap method. The rabbet for the planking is just trickier to fit up but Alan can handle that!!


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Originally posted by nates78ski nates78ski wrote:

Larry, There should be a stem 'cap' that you put on & shape & the planks would then terminate there.

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Correct, thats how this boat was built but I'm trying to improve on the construction as I go and I really thought that set up had some faults. The planking ended with beveled ends and I really want the square cut ends as in my skecth above for better sealing and fastening. Routing the stem is going to be tricky but I'm fully prepared to mill off the outer 2 strips I glued on and go with a stem cap if the rabbits don't come out the way I want them too. It will be a challenge for sure.
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Is the SS bow cover sealed or is that air space between the stem and the cover open to water intrusion? I could see it being a plus and minus either way.
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Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

Is the SS bow cover sealed or is that air space between the stem and the cover open to water intrusion? I could see it being a plus and minus either way.


Joel,
The cutwaters are just screwed on. If bedded and especially if you used anything with a adhesive quality you would never get them off for a refinish. Screw holes are predrilled CPES'd and then 5200 used when running the screws in. Water intrusion under the cutwater isn't any worse than having nothing at all. Infact, I've removed cutwaters and found pristine varnish under them.

Getting hardware off of a varnished surface can be tricky. It has a tendency to bond with the varnish and can pull the varnish with it. A common method to avoid this is to wax (plain car wax) the bottom side before screwing on hardware. Before I learned this trick, I did pull some varnish on a couple of boats or I wasn't the one who did the previous refinish!!


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Alan,

I thought i wanted to do a Wood boat......but now after i see what amount of work it takes i think i'll just live the experience through you and others who are "Patient" enough to do a HUGE undertaking like this!!

Doing something like this really says alot about a man and his character, Skills ect ect....but really.....I gotta know something?

Are you gonna christen the boat by doing the traditional"breaking the bottle" of wine on the boat before you set sail(so to speak)?

Or are you and Dana gonna wait to christen the boat after you get it on the water?????lol   

You know what i mean....

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Well Nate wins on the stem cap, in laying up my stack I made the top four layers narrower than the bottom layers and that came back to bite me. I didn't have enough width to make a one piece stem but that actually saved me some very intricate shaping and routing. The stem cap will be easier which is probably why CC did it that way in the first place.

I'll still end up with the joinery detail I want but I'll just have to steam up a few more pices and laminate them with the stem in place on the boat.

All in all not a bad days work, I never thought I'd add a 4.5" grinder to my woodworking tools but that was the tool of the day. Felt more like sculpting than boat building but a very fun day.

The stem and all new braces fit up very well so I coated it all with CPES and quit for the night. Here's a few shots of the day but Tomorrow nights pictures should be awesome with everything securely in place.


You can see the outer boards will be too narrow once the stem is pulled back fully into place, rookie mistake


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You are truly a Renaissance Man. It is rare that someone has the artistic skills you have (as evidenced by your career and your boat work) combined with the technical skills you have, (as evidenced by your career, your engine work and boat work) and I am sure there are many more talents beyond those. Excellent work. I, like everyone else, am anxiously awaiting the final product.
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I knew that Doc, Is he cracking into it? i didnt know it was rebuilt, rebuilt is a loose term though....clean and paint
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I knew that Doc, Is he cracking into it? i didnt know it was rebuilt, rebuilt is a loose term though....clean and paint


It's had rings and bearings, I'm going to start it this spring and hope for the best. If it runs I'll make it look pretty, drop it in and go from there. Hopefully it's fine and the boat does 40+, I'll be happy with that...for a little while.
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I'll be happy with that...for a little while.


I think thats why Eric was asking about making another one Alan. How about one with a tower and a gas turbine, the Typhoon?    
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