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phospher wrote: Riley wrote: Phil may own that web site. With only 129 members and 2200 posts, it might be a good place to start a religous thread in the off topic section and help him by boosting his member and post count. Riley, the site hasn't been around very long and there aren't that many american skiers out there but thanks for your input.

Seems like a good place to carry on the discussion, don't you think?

Cool. The Outback is a pretty nice boat. Do you mostly ski or do you do anything else?

You need to at least have real evidence that points to reasons why something is. Faith? I have no faith in anything. I don't believe without evidence.

Here's a fun philisophical question...

Do you think you'll be alive tomorrow? If so, are you basing that on some sort of evidence that proves you will be here or are you basing it on faith?

phospher wrote: Riley wrote: phospher wrote: Riley wrote: Phil may own that web site. With only 129 members and 2200 posts, it might be a good place to start a religous thread in the off topic section and help him by boosting his member and post count. Riley, the site hasn't been around very long and there aren't that many american skiers out there but thanks for your input. Seems like a good place to carry on the discussion, don't you think? No because no one goes on about religion over there.. I have an idea, if you don't want to read this don't click on this thread. What a novel idea.

Do they go on about about being an athiest?

being of sound mind and body, im starting to question myself, I hear you can give up your sins at the door

Faith: a belief that does not rest on logical truth..i think we are being overshadowed in the difference between religion and faith, religion is a specific belief, faith is a belief whether right or wrong and who would be the judge in this situation? your inner being which would decipher good from evil, you yourself from teachings knows what would be right and what would be wrong. Faith is an owners manual not necessarily under ones belief of a certain religion. Its the faith, a belief in good that keeps the world in check...a belief that one being taught if you take lives you are guareenteed 72 virgins....it can be a good or an evil and it stems from childhood of what one is taught. there is no right or wrong when one is led to believe in a certain religion

phospher wrote: I have an idea, if you don't want to read this don't click on this thread. What a novel idea.

Or change the subject and bash those with whom you disagree, and everytime the subject gets back on course, chime in again and take it to your adjenda.

I was kinda liking the 72 virgins awaiting my arrival lol

Trying to do the math, about 45 seconds plus recoup time? Also wondering what the virgins did wrong.

Anybody else have the post election blues? After having everybody all riled up for the election and getting a historic number of seats to change hands, we went into a political vacuum with nothing going on.

Yeah, it is kind of quiet. I'm sure we will see more of a buzz after the first of the year. Like I said earlier in this thread, I hope the conservatives that just got elected will hold true to conservative policy.

I don't believe "compromise" is in the best interest in this country right now. Conservatives compromising and moving further and further to the left over the years is what got us in this mess in the first place.

I'm really interested to see how the whole Health Care Bill plays out.

Speaking of that, how many of you have seen what changes are taking place going into next year? Premiums, benefits, out-of-pocket, etc. I just got the benefits package last week from my company and it was interesting to see what things are changing. Some of which are due to the Health Care Bill and others are the company trying to keep its head above water and control cost. I've yet to hear from anyone I've talked to that their cost of health care decreased this year. Funny, I seem to remember somebody talking about costs going down...I can't for the life of me remember who that was...anyone remember?

you won't see the savings kick in until after 2014, when we are all broke, out of work, and eligable for free Obamacare.

Im glad the fking democrats falling off like rats. No Obama trying to work with the GOP. But he and the democrats are still idiots and will never learn how business and economy is runned. In addtion, wait till 2012 and we take over for fking good.

Anybody ever heard of Christianity. Obama has not!! nor does the democrats. They are againest the people and not for the people..

Huh! Sounds like a pieace of the Declaration of Independence...

Ignore the troll.

The funny thing is that many things science is able to duplicate require intervention. It requires an intelligent being to cause, create or otherwise control what is happening.

I've noticed a couple things in my short time on this earth with science oriented guys and atheists...

1. They will always rely upon only proven ideas, but not all is proven and there are still unknowns...questions lead to more questions.

2. There is always an attitude that if new information comes along they are open to change their mind. Why is that? Is it truly being open minded or admitting that there isn't 100% confidence in the current believed theory? Or is it that staying open to change is easier than holding your ground?

3. They will always deny they have faith yet there are many things you can point out that they believe in that require faith.

4. Once you point out these facts in a discussion, they stop discussing (or ignore you when it is a group setting)

I know I go to bed at night confident in my beliefs and have no doubt that we were CREATED in the image of God (the creator), we are loved by God, and He wants us to grow closer to Him, ultimately spending eternity with Him. I can honestly care less about "religion" and rituals. I care about learning more about what God wants to teach us and growing closer to Him like a son yearning to be close to his father.

Something kind of funny to think about...

Christians believe that they were created in God's image. That seems like a pretty awe inspiring thing when you really get down to it.

Many scientist/atheist types believe in the evolution idea were we all came from the primordial ooze. In other words, they believe they came from pond scum. Kind of depressing, don't you think?