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    Posted: April-26-2008 at 8:05pm
I dry fitted my new strut today & am seeing stress cracks in the gel coat originating at 2 of the screw holes. (I am sure this is from the hit)   Most of the cracks stop under the strut base but 2 extent out about 3 inches. Very fine, almost unnoticeable. Should I leave these alone or start grinding?

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Chris, I would route them out with a Dremel and a small 1/8 dia. carbide or diamond bur just to make sure they are in the gel only. Chances are they are only in the gel. Since gel is so hard, it doesn't bend very much so it doesn't take much to crack it. Fill the groves with some thickened epoxy. When routing, you should be able to tell by looking and by feel how deep the cracks are.


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Thanks for the advice Pete - that's what I had in mind. Epoxy wise - Do I need to get the MAS stuff or will Ace Hardware Epoxy do? What would I thicken it with?
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Chris, I would stick with a marine version of epoxy like West or the Mas. Get the small kit which I believe is a quart and a 1/2 pint of hardener plus a mini pump set. The fillers are available in small 6oz. quantities. It's probably going to set yo back $60 to $65 but it is a known system for marine. You never really know what you are getting at the hardware store. The epoxy won't go bad and is always handy to have around the house/garage. After routing, put a first coat of resin without any filler. If the cracking goes deeper than the gel this first coat will penetrate into the glass. Then add a low density filler such as West 406 or 407. smooth it out and don't worry about anyone looking at the repair!!


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Once again I appreciate this wisdom.

I am glad I got started early on this driveline repair - I keep having to wait for materials which is why I was tempted to just go see the helpful hardware man.

The weather is still pretty crummy, so now is the time to get this repair right. We got 5 in of rain Friday AM - river is near record flood. Tonight it will be down to 32f. I'm leaving a trouble light on under the engine just in case.
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Chris, do the screw holes have a shoulder around them where there is no gel coat? What I'm talking about is about a 1/8" gap all the way around the bolt hole where there is just bare glass. If not, you can take a forstner bit and give each screw hole this so called bare shoulder. It will help prevent the gel coat from cracking more in the future. Don't go deep with the forstner bit,....just enough to remove the gel coat around each hole. I got this tip from the company that made my ski tower. It works very well.
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Chris, Don't bother with the forstner bit. When you are down there with the Dremel, just buzz the gel around the holes. It is common practice to chamfer or counter bore gel around holes and a good one too. Unfortunately the factory doesn't do it. With the 5200 on the strut, it's not going anyplace ether!


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Will do, thanks for the tips. It's sunny today so I should have plenty of light. I'm itching to get started.
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Had streak of luck - I was using some paint thinner to clean up the gooey caulk the PO had used. (why he used it inside is beyond me).

The paint thinner acted as a dye penetrant & highlighted the cracks in the bilge. You can't see them after it completely dries, so I am happy that I noticed this. I'm going to give it a couple layers of cloth & MAS epoxy.

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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

I'm going to give it a couple layers of cloth & MAS epoxy.


I hope this doesn't sound too insulting!! I just want to make sure you grind down to bare glass and route out the cracks a little on the inside too! Sounds like a good plan. Hopefully you don't have a major delamination problem like Greg (buffalo) did! However, I have a feeling that in his case, a poor repair was made and then the boat was driven thus enlarging the original damage.

Chris, Are you planning on going to the Muscatine show? I'm trying to fit it into my schedule!


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Pete is correct about the history on that part of my boat. I also remember Skibum being right about something else...if there's a problem on the outside, then there will be a cause underneath it. I'd add that bare glass isn't always good glass.

Good luck with it...hopefully you are catching this before the infection has spread!
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Thanks guys for the additional advice - I was intending to grind off the gray layer - not sure if it is paint or gel coat. No insult taken - you can never be sure what someone else in cyberspace is thinking.

Pete - Very much looking forward to the Muscatine boat show & meeting you & 62Wood. I hope the river goes back down to normal by then.

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