Forums
NautiqueParts.comNautiqueSkins.com - Correct Craft Upholstery and Part
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Running boat out of water
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Register Register  Login Login

Running boat out of water

 Post Reply Post Reply Page   12>
Author
wakemeup View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-11-2008
Location: Culver City, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 113
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wakemeup Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Running boat out of water
    Posted: July-11-2008 at 10:25pm
I just bought my first bought, a 88 Ski Nautique. What is the best way to run the boat out of the water. I was told to hook the hose up to the engine flush connection in the back. Is this correct?
Thanks for any insight.
Wakemeup

1988 Ski Nautique

1999 Air Nautique
Back to Top
Towman View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: June-22-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 76
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Towman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-11-2008 at 11:09pm
Thats how Ive always run mine BUT it is not the correct way
To Quote Gary S
The trouble with running it at home on a hose is that your putting your house or city pressure on that pump.Get a piece of hose to extend your intake hose and put in in a bucket,letting your hose from the house fill the bucket.Then see if you have a leak,you'll also see how good the raw water pump works also.
Back to Top
wakemeup View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-11-2008
Location: Culver City, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 113
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wakemeup Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-12-2008 at 12:06am
Makes sense to me. I wonder if a pressure regulator on the flush connection would help like the ones you use on an RV when hooking up to domestic water? It might restrict the flow to much. Anyway, I will have to find the hose your talking about see about extending it.
Thanks for your response.
Wakemeup

1988 Ski Nautique

1999 Air Nautique
Back to Top
Towman View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: June-22-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 76
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Towman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-12-2008 at 1:32am
The hose should start at the pick up in the hull,then go to the raw water strainer and into the trans cooler,you could attach it at any of these points.
Back to Top
JamesE View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie


Joined: June-03-2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 79
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JamesE Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-12-2008 at 3:10am
If you plan on flushing the engine often you could install a FlushPro. I boat in salt water so I flush my engine using this after every time I go out. I have been very happy with it. Here is the cheapest one that I have seen: http://www.skidim.com/prodinfo.asp?number=DP6
Back to Top
nuttyskier2002 View Drop Down
Gold Member
Gold Member


Joined: September-28-2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 669
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote nuttyskier2002 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-12-2008 at 4:31am
Originally posted by Towman Towman wrote:

Thats how Ive always run mine BUT it is not the correct way
To Quote Gary S
The trouble with running it at home on a hose is that your putting your house or city pressure on that pump.Get a piece of hose to extend your intake hose and put in in a bucket,letting your hose from the house fill the bucket.Then see if you have a leak,you'll also see how good the raw water pump works also.


Not to doubt you Tow,...but where are you getting your information. Skidim sells the Flush-Pro and it can't be used by drawing water from a bucket.
95 Malibu Echelon w/Mercruiser 350 Magnum Skier

Former boats:
88 Ski Centurion Tru Trac II
59 Chris Craft Capri (woody)
Back to Top
Towman View Drop Down
Groupie
Groupie
Avatar

Joined: June-22-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 76
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Towman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-12-2008 at 3:28pm
Brian That quote is from a sting here on overheating.I would think if you hooked a hose from either the strainer intake or the thru hull pick up it would flow thru the flush pro the same as the raw water would ?????????????
Back to Top
75 Tique View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: August-12-2004
Location: Seven Lakes, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 6130
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 75 Tique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2008 at 11:35am
Wakemeup,

Back to your question. I do not believe using your flush connection (I think CC knew what they were doing) or hooking a hose up to the RW intake hose hurts the boat. It's an OK way to flush or test your boat in the driveway.

What people are getting at, I believe, is that you can have a bad raw water pump and you would never know it if you use a hose, because the hose pressure forces the water through the engine. I am sensitive to this as I had that exact problem and didnt know it because I always hooked up a hose directly. So I pretty religiously use the "bucket method" now.

However, now that I know I have a new and good RWP, I would not shy away from periodically running with a hose hooked up if I had some quick testing to do in the driveway.
_____________
“So, how was your weekend?”
“Well, let me see…sun burn, stiff neck, screwed up back, assorted aches and pains….yup, my weekend was great, thanks for asking.”
Back to Top
88 Nautique View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-20-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 221
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 88 Nautique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2008 at 12:09pm
I too have a new impeller and have no overheating trouble. If I just want to start it to check before heading to the lake, checking timing etc. I'll just hook my hose to the Flush-Pro. Beats disconnecting water hoses. For troubleshooting heating issues,use the bucket method.
I guess we can ask Eric if there is a reason to cool trns fluid while running the boat in neutral, which will not happen with the flush pro unless you install it before the trans cooler.
Back to Top
tapenick View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May-17-2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 185
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tapenick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2008 at 4:13pm
Why do the Flush Pro Instructions say to put the water on 1/3 pressure, start engine, then increase to full pressure?   Why not just full pressure from the beginning?

Tom
Back to Top
eric lavine View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: August-13-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 13413
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote eric lavine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2008 at 4:18pm
the trans takes a good half hour under no load to heat up, so bypassing is not a problem whatsoever
Back to Top
88 Nautique View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-20-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 221
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 88 Nautique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2008 at 6:17pm
Originally posted by tapenick tapenick wrote:

Why do the Flush Pro Instructions say to put the water on 1/3 pressure, start engine, then increase to full pressure?   Why not just full pressure from the beginning?

Tom


If I had to guess it's because your raw water pump is not turning with the engine off and the water pressure will force itself through the impellers. Don't see how that would hurt them though.
Back to Top
wakemeup View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July-11-2008
Location: Culver City, CA
Status: Offline
Points: 113
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wakemeup Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-14-2008 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by 75 Tique 75 Tique wrote:

Wakemeup,

Back to your question. I do not believe using your flush connection (I think CC knew what they were doing) or hooking a hose up to the RW intake hose hurts the boat. It's an OK way to flush or test your boat in the driveway.

What people are getting at, I believe, is that you can have a bad raw water pump and you would never know it if you use a hose, because the hose pressure forces the water through the engine. I am sensitive to this as I had that exact problem and didnt know it because I always hooked up a hose directly. So I pretty religiously use the "bucket method" now.

However, now that I know I have a new and good RWP, I would not shy away from periodically running with a hose hooked up if I had some quick testing to do in the driveway.

75Tique, I think that basically answers my question. I'm not necessary looking to flush the motor. I am just adding new parts, i.e., rebuilt carb, distributor, etc. and want to tune it in the driveway. So it sounds like using the factory flush hookup is OK for this purpose. However, I would like to check my RW pump like advised.

Thanks for everyones advice.
George
Wakemeup

1988 Ski Nautique

1999 Air Nautique
Back to Top
robesaw View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie


Joined: July-15-2008
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 13
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote robesaw Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-15-2008 at 5:33am
Originally posted by Towman Towman wrote:

Get a piece of hose to extend your intake hose and put in in a bucket,letting your hose from the house fill the bucket.Then see if you have a leak,you'll also see how good the raw water pump works also.

1990 Ski Nautique, Ford 351

OK I get that I have to connect a hose to the intake (I'll do it before the raw water filter), but will a standard garden hose fit??

Also - I see a connection at the front of the block, near the raw water pump, that has a standard hose connection and a shut off valve. It's near the bottom of the engine.

My father in-law (owner) told me to connect here, but how can water flow through the system this way (bypassing the raw water pump and engine block pump)??
Rob.

1990 Ski Nautique.
Back to Top
tapenick View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May-17-2008
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 185
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tapenick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 12:12am
Originally posted by tapenick tapenick wrote:

Why do the Flush Pro Instructions say to put the water on 1/3 pressure, start engine, then increase to full pressure?   Why not just full pressure from the beginning?


Fought my way through Perko's first line 'technical support' today and got a guy that sounded like he knew what he was talking about.   He said that procedure was to prevent water from backflowing into the cylinders.   Can you guys think of a way water could backup?   I can't picture in my mind how high an Invert-A-Flow is in relation to the risers but figure not high enough.

fyi in case you guys come up with a way this could happen - he said in addition to running the water slow until the engine was started one should not run the water for very long before starting and cut the water off between starts.


Tom
Back to Top
The Dude View Drop Down
Platinum Member
Platinum Member
Avatar

Joined: October-19-2004
Location: Houston
Status: Offline
Points: 1334
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 1:12am
robe, sounds like you've got a flush connection up there. Go with it. Eric says your tranny won't heat anyway. You'll just want to make sure the pump is picking it up and bringing it thru the engine.
Mullet Free since 93
95 Sport
Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21184
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 1:23am
Im still confused why everyone makes a big deal out of this. Why not add a simple tee in the intake line before the RWP? For $15 in parts from Home Depot, you can connect a garden hose in less than 5 seconds. Its one of the first things I add to my boats.



Run the hose full blast- excess water pressure will drop right out of the intake grate. Even with the best water pressure, you probably wont feed the pump 100% of what it wants (it will suck some air) but who cares? Theres plenty of water being sucked in to cool the engine and keep the impeller lubricated. Its not the best set up to test the RWP (since it forces some water in), but for flushing the engine or running in the driveway, its perfect. Simple, cheap, effective.
Back to Top
Gary S View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: November-30-2006
Location: Illinois
Status: Offline
Points: 14096
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 1:57am
Tim the reason I wrote that was that gentleman had a leaking circulation pump and I believe he was compounding his problem by applying house pressure.I myself am a little leary of using plastic fittings and strainers with out a shut off on the thru hull tho-
69 Mustang HM SS
95 Nautique Super Sport
Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21184
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 11:20am
Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Tim the reason I wrote that was that gentleman had a leaking circulation pump and I believe he was compounding his problem by applying house pressure.I myself am a little leary of using plastic fittings and strainers with out a shut off on the thru hull tho-

Gary, youre absolutely right- Id be a little leary of forcing water through the cooling system at high pressure. Thats one of the benefits of the simple tee. The bucket test you mentioned is definitely the way to test the effectiveness of the RWP.

As far as the plastic fittings go, Im not too worried- we've had set ups like this on our boats for a long time. The plastic elbows on the strainer are factory (and have been since the mid 80's). My dad's '03 has a shut off valve, but it seems to be more trouble than its worth- he's already fried one impeller because of it.
Back to Top
88 Nautique View Drop Down
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September-20-2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 221
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 88 Nautique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 12:25pm
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

   Why not add a simple tee in the intake line before the RWP? For $15 in parts from Home Depot, you can connect a garden hose in less than 5 seconds.


Do you put a valve before the "T"? If not, how do you keep the water from pouring out the inlet?
I have the Flush Pro on mine. It automatically shuts off the supply side from hose pressure.
Kurt
Back to Top
TRBenj View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: June-29-2005
Location: NWCT
Status: Offline
Points: 21184
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TRBenj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 12:29pm
Originally posted by 88 Nautique 88 Nautique wrote:

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

   Why not add a simple tee in the intake line before the RWP? For $15 in parts from Home Depot, you can connect a garden hose in less than 5 seconds.


Do you put a valve before the "T"? If not, how do you keep the water from pouring out the inlet?
I have the Flush Pro on mine. It automatically shuts off the supply side from hose pressure.
Kurt

Nope. I dont keep the water from pouring out- that allows the excess pressure to flow out the intake grate when the engine is off. When the engine is running, very little water comes out the grate.
Back to Top
lewy2001 View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: March-19-2008
Location: NSW Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 2234
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lewy2001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 12:46pm
That makes a sense TRBenj the impeller would provide enough resistance to force the water out the intake grate until the motor was started and the RWP started to suck. I have always put a non return valve between the "T" and the intake grate. The valve is the most expensive piece to buy and I have often wondered if it put any restriction on the quantity of water the RWP could suck through it.

I always make sure the water pressure is not excessive before connecting to motor and starting the motor as soon as it is connected. The removal of the valve saves any worries with those issues.

So out comes the non return valve!!
If you're going through hell, keep going

89 Ski

<a href="http://www.correctcraftfan.com/diaries/details.asp?ID=5685" ta
Back to Top
79nautique View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: January-27-2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 7872
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 79nautique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-17-2008 at 12:46pm
it's funny that you believe that hose pressure is enough to bend the vanes and allow water to enter the motor while it is not running and you allow for a lot of air to enter into the system due to the turbulance created at the tee where one side sucks air and the other water oh well EE's have all the answers to bad most electroincs are air cooled and not water cooled.
Back to Top
Gary S View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: November-30-2006
Location: Illinois
Status: Offline
Points: 14096
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gary S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July-18-2008 at 2:02am
Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

   My dad's '03 has a shut off valve, but it seems to be more trouble than its worth- he's already fried one impeller because of it.


Tim you got me laughing here,my dad did the same with his shamrock,I imagine you do it only once! That is also the advantage of the shutoff,you don't have to take the boat out of the water to change the impeller
69 Mustang HM SS
95 Nautique Super Sport
Back to Top
UFOpodcaster View Drop Down
Newbie
Newbie
Avatar

Joined: August-26-2020
Location: Maine
Status: Offline
Points: 13
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote UFOpodcaster Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-26-2020 at 9:52pm
In 1979 I bought  first Correct Craft it was a 1953, I have had around a dozen over the years, I now have a 1982 with a 351. 

I learned somewhere over the years to get a female garden hose end and mount it through a standard toilet plunger (preferably unused). When you are ready to hook it up and use, you cut the handle so it will hold upright over the water intake with pressure against the hull. It has to have enough pressure to hold it in place with water flowing. Test it by hooking the water up and running it. 

In all the Correct Crafts I have had, this has never let me down.
Martin
Back to Top
gun-driver View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: July-18-2008
Location: Pittsburgh, Pa
Status: Offline
Points: 4127
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gun-driver Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-27-2020 at 8:35am
This is a little more complicated then fittings, plungers and valves but always worked for me.LOL It also allows me to see how well the pump is working.
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-27-2020 at 8:53am
Originally posted by UFOpodcaster UFOpodcaster wrote:

In 1979 I bought  first Correct Craft it was a 1953, I learned somewhere over the years to get a female garden hose end and mount it through a standard toilet plunger 
Martin,
What model was the 53? Any pictures?

A toilet plunger and even a puchased "fake-a-lake" plunger is difficult if not impossible to use on through hull recessed pickups in later year hulls. 


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
KENO View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: June-06-2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 11093
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KENO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-28-2020 at 7:04am
Here's another "different" way to run your boat out of the water. No plunger needed. Nothing needed actually.

I won't mention what state this guy is from, otherwise Pete will probably dig up somebody doing something stupid with their boat in NH.

And......that would probably be pretty easy to do Wink


link
Back to Top
8122pbrainard View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah
Avatar

Joined: September-14-2006
Location: Three Lakes Wi.
Status: Offline
Points: 41045
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 8122pbrainard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-28-2020 at 7:16am
Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Here's another "different" way to run your boat out of the water. No plunger needed. Nothing needed actually.

I won't mention what state this guy is from, otherwise Pete will probably dig up somebody doing something stupid with their boat in NH.

And......that would probably be pretty easy to do Wink


link

LOLLOL That report and video hit my local news last week. I wonder what was in the red cooler he grabed! Big smile


54 Atom


77 Tique

64 X55 Dunphy

Keep it original, Pete
<
Back to Top
KENO View Drop Down
Grand Poobah
Grand Poobah


Joined: June-06-2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 11093
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KENO Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August-28-2020 at 7:28am
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Here's another "different" way to run your boat out of the water. No plunger needed. Nothing needed actually.

I won't mention what state this guy is from, otherwise Pete will probably dig up somebody doing something stupid with their boat in NH.

And......that would probably be pretty easy to do Wink


link

LOLLOL That report and video hit my local news last week. I wonder what was in the red cooler he grabed! Big smile

Probably pretty empty compared to when he first went out Wink
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page   12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Copyright 2024 | Bagley Productions, LLC