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    Posted: September-10-2008 at 3:28pm
I know everyone has a different opinion on the war and our current President, but this article makes a lot of sense. Take two minutes, read it and give it some thought. Don't miss the last paragraph.

When electing the next President, the only decision you have to make is who you want sitting in that seat in the White House when--not if --WHEN we get hit again and millions of American lives are put at risk!

This is from: 'You ain't gonna like losing.' Author unknown.

President Bush did make a bad mistake in the war on terrorism. But the mistake was not his decision to go to war in Iraq     Bush's mistake came in his belief that this country is the same one his father fought for in WWII. It is not.

Back then, they had just come out of a vicious depression. The country was steeled by the hardship of that depression, but they still believed fervently in this country. They knew that the people had elected their leaders, so it was the people's duty to back those leaders.

Therefore, when the war broke out the people came together, rallied behind, and stuck with their leaders, whether they had voted for them or not or whether the war was going badly or not.

And war was just as distasteful and the anguish just as great then as it is today. Often there were more casualties in one day in WWII than we have had in the entire Iraq war. But that did not matter. The people stuck with the President because it was their patriotic duty. Americans put aside their differences in WWII and worked together to win that war.

Everyone from every strata of society, from young to old pitched in. Small children pulled little wagons around to gather scrap metal for the war effort. Grade school students saved their pennies to buy stamps for war bonds to help the effort.

Men who were too old or medically 4F lied about their age or condition, trying their best to join the military. Women doubled their work to keep things going at home. Harsh rationing of everything from gasoline to soap to butter was imposed, yet there was very little complaining.

You never heard prominent people on the radio belittling the President. Interestingly enough in those days there were no fat cat actors and entertainers who ran off to visit and fawn over dictators of hostile countries and complain to them about our President. Instead, they made upbeat films and entertained our troops to help the troops' morale. And a bunch even enlisted.

And imagine this: Teachers in schools actually started the day off with a Pledge of Allegiance, and with prayers for our country and our troops!

Back then, no newspaper would have dared point out certain weak spots in our cities where bombs could be set off to cause the maximum damage. No newspaper would have dared complain about what we were doing to catch spies. A newspaper would have been laughed out of existence if it had complained that German or Japanese soldiers were being 'tortured' by being forced to wear women's underwear, or subjected to interrogation by a woman, or being scared by a dog or did not have air conditioning. There were a lot of things different back then. We were not subjected to a constant bombardment of REMOVEography, perversion and promiscuity in movies or on radio. We did not have legions of crack heads, dope pushers and armed gangs roaming our streets.

No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve..

It is not the same country. It is now a cross between Sodom and Gomorra and the land of Oz. We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.

We are in great danger. The terrorists are fanatic Muslims. They believe that it is okay, even their duty, to kill anyone who will not convert to Islam. It has been estimated that about one third or over three hundred million Muslims are sympathetic to the terrorists' cause... Hitler and Tojo combined did not have nearly that many potential recruits. So... We either win it - or lose it - and you ain't gonna like losing.

America is not at war. The military is at war.

America is at the mall, or watching movies.

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its funny you mention Islam, my area where i live always has Saudi Arabian people walking the streets and they were always wearing turbines, which they have the right to do I guess, But recently i have noticed everyone of them recently in the past 2 or 3 months switched over to ballcaps......Im sitting back on this election for personal reasons and not voting, if i vote the way that i have in the past i feel I will regret it...and i just cant go the other way....I think the course of history is written already and try to voice opinions to make change and we are so cluttered by media and these guy's with BILLIONS of dollars telling you what you want to hear and can change history with one single decision. these are the guy's in power of this country, there biased opinions trickle right into the media mainstream
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Originally posted by Waterdog Waterdog wrote:

We did unite for a short while after 9/11, but our attitude changed when we found out that defending our country would require some sacrifices.


That quote I believe sums it up. Our culture now days wants all the rewards, benefits, etc. But noone wants to sacrifice anything, or put in the hard effort to get those things. People think they're just entitled to things now days.

& Eric, I know we don't quite see eye to eye on politics...we've been down that road, but no matter who you vote for, you need to vote. Because if i hear you bitching on here 2 years from now about the new president, & i remember you didn't vote. I'm gonna go ahead & tell you to shut your mouth. haha You've gotta vote man, whether i agree with your choice or not, i do agree with everyone having the right to vote.

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Originally posted by Waterdog Waterdog wrote:


No, President Bush did not make a mistake in his handling of terrorism. He made the mistake of believing that we still had the courage and fortitude of our fathers. He believed that this was still the country that our fathers fought so dearly to preserve..

I thought the same when I went to fight in Viet Nam. When I returned, I couldn't believe the B.S. that was going on in the U.S. Not only was everyone being turned against the war but we were treated like the enemy. I don't want to see that happen again!
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We have not been "at war" in Iraq for a long time. We are occupying and being police over there.
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

Im sitting back on this election for personal reasons and not voting


For personal reasons, I hate to see that sentiment!

This is a tough one, I'll grant you that. Obama is too green, and McCain is too entrenched. Palin is too conservative, and Biden is too liberal, though he's smarter than all of 'em, just ask him.

Give 'em your vote though - the price we pay for that freedom is too great to waste.
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It's all our duty - every last adult American Citizen to vote. Agree ,disagree no matter. It's MY obligation and YOURS too.
This afternoon I talked to a young engineer that wanted to know how to get out of jury duty. I almost went in to orbit! Be a man. September 1st I went over 29 years service with the Navy and US Marines.
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I ask all to exersice your right to Vote. If not for yourself, for those that were lost to provide us all with this right.
There is no such thing as an incorrect Vote.
There is only the lost opportunity to Vote.
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I abide to a strong rule...if you vote then you have a right to bitch. I live in Washington D.C. and this town is all politics 24 7 sometimes. The first question I ALWAYS ask when I hear of someone complaining is if they voted. Just about every time they say No for...(insert lame ass reason why). No vote equals No Opinion!

Everyone should vote, win or lose, right or wrong, like the choices or not. It's what separates us from everyone else. A lot of guys died a long time ago for me to pull that curtain closed. I never let them down.

BTW, choices before us today began months ago with local primaries…who went to theirs?
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It is not only our right to vote, it is our duty. It is also our duty to serve on a jury. I don't have any respect for people who brag about how they lied to the judge to get out of jury duty.
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Originally posted by critter critter wrote:

I ask all to exersice your right to Vote. If not for yourself, for those that were lost to provide us all with this right.
There is no such thing as an incorrect Vote.
There is only the lost opportunity to Vote.

Critter, that's absolutely well put!!
In Belgium, everybody is obligated to vote by law. I always get mad when people are bitching to me that they have to vote! I always reply that it took our forfathers blood sweat and tears to give us this right. "Or do you want to go back to the feodal system of the Middle Ages??" I ask them afterwards.

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Dont worry Nate, I'll be there in November but Im not going R or D for the pres...Im not ready for the D and not ready for 4 more of the R's,
this way i do have something to bitch about the next 4
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I agree with the consensus on this one.

We OWE it to all those who've DIED on the battlefield to give us the freedom to vote.

We OWE it to those who've SERVED to give us the freedom to vote.

To called for jury duty should be an honor to all and not a pain in the arse to be summonned. I for one would not want to be a plaintiff or defendant and have my peers already be peeved cause they are there in the first place. Men and women have fought and died so that we have this freedom.

I've been summonned twice and both times have been honored to do so and the both judges gave a wonderful "sermon" on how great it is to be an American and that we Americans have the right to a fair trial not because we deserve it but because we fight and die for the opportunity to HAVE it!!!

I too am not real thrilled with either candidate but like it not, one of them is going to run this country. We must decide who is better qualified to do so and who would I want to be in charge when another plane hits a building. I find comfort in knowing we had the right man in office 7 years ago on this very day instead of the one who invented the internet.
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Originally posted by Morfoot Morfoot wrote:

I find comfort in knowing we had the right man in office 7 years ago on this very day instead of the one who invented the internet.


     Now, now, if Owl Gore hadn't invented the internet, there'd be no CorrectCraftFan.com!!!
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I always wondered how it ever got presented that Gore created the internet.
Agreed, he pushed for funds for Stanford and other Universities, as well as the government, to preceed and develop a way to share information which resulted in the internet. But creating the internet ??
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Well, I'm not a fan of Al Gore, but here is what he actually said during a campaign interview with Wolf Blitzer while trying to distinguish himself from Bill Bradley:

"Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my campaign begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it will be compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've traveled to every part of this country during the last six years. During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."

News articles, comedians, pundits, politicians, and yes, even chat rooms on the internet then took it from there.

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