Valvoline VR1 racing oil in name only

Luchog wrote: what is it that you call snake oils?=

Snake Oil. n.
1. A worthless preparation fraudulently peddled as a cure for many ills.
2. Speech or writing intended to deceive; humbug.

Allright guys, I get the whole snake oil thing, what I dont understand yet is how do you determine that a certain product, such as the MPC MT-10 in this case is uneffective or harmfull for the engine???

After I did the treatment on my engine, wich is adding 10% of the crankcase oil capacity (I added less) on a warm engine, my iddle went 200rpms higher and the engine overall felt smoother on the whole rpm range. I have put over 150 hours on my engine since, and made 2 oil/filter changes. Oil pressure drops to 35 only when the oil is next to a change, 55-60 while under way.
I use the boat 2-3 days a week on winter and 5-6 days a week on summer.

I'd normally use a 15w40 Diesel oil, but the PO put Mobile 1 straight 40 on this engine and I chose to keep using it, just different brand, because I feared that a multigraded oil detergent package could carbon clean the engine and mess things up.

Only mechanical issues with this engine so far (knock on wood)have been the advance weights at the distributor, one valve seat broke a few months ago but I'd not dare saying it had anything to do with lubrication but on the fact that the heads were never fully rebuilt as the rest of the engine was. Now they are too.
While the heads were apart, I checked the tappets and found absolutely no marks or signs of wear, I wonder if I could have taken a look at the cam lobes also.

This is a personal first hand experience with this product (MPC MT-10), maybe time will prove me wrong, so far it has worked well in my opinion.

I think the oil pressure is 60-70psi

OK, might as well jump into the fray (Deja Vu). I discussed mixing different weight oils with my local lubrication engineer & he said it was perfectly OK to mix 10W30 with 20W50. So I mix 50/50 so the oil pressure isn't quite so high. Engine hasn't blown yet, have my fingers crossed he is right!

Oh yeah, I should probably post his summary:

Oils suitable for breakin……..that are available. with enough Zinc and Phophorus.. OILS LISTED BY ALPHABETICAL ORDER NOT BY QUALITY or quantity of content.

Brad penn break in oil grp2
Joe Gibbs break in oil grp2
Pennzoil GT performance. All weights. grp2
Shell Rotela T 30wt, 40wt, 15W40wt. grp2
Starbright 30Wt grp2
Starbright 40Wt (pending) grp2
Valvoline VR1.. all weights grp2
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I like the Rotela because of the extra dispersant's and detergents… it creates a higher viscous… and will suspend small particles I also like the StarBright because of the 1600ppm of zinc and is as cheap as Rotela

Best diesel oil test ever...
http://www.turbodieselregister.com/TDR57_Oil.pdf

OILS suitable for street High performance use with enough Zinc and Phosphorus for flat cams and High spring rates. Up to 150lbs seat pressure.

Brad Penn all weights grp2
Castrol syntec 20W50 for older cars grp3
Champion XPS 20W50 grp3 syn
Joe Gibbs oils grp??
Mobil1 15W50 gold cap and silver cap. grp4 syn
Mobil1 Turbo diesel truck grp4 syn
Mogil1 racing grp4 syn
Pennzoil GT 25W50 grp2
Royal Purple racing oils Grp5 syn
Shell Rotela T 30wt, 40wt, 15W40wt. grp2
Quaker State Q horse power 10w60 only grp 3 syn
Valvoline VR1 all weights grp2

TRACK/RACE only.

Brad Penn all weights grp2
Champion XPS 20W50 grp3 syn.
Joe Gibbs oils grp??
Mobil1 racing grp4 syn
Pennzoil GT all weights grp2
Royal Purple racing oil all weights grp5 syn
Quaker State Q RACING all weights…syn
Valvoline VR1 all weights grp2
Valvoline synthetic racing all weights grp?
Valvoline conventional NSL all weights grp2


And a few others have a select few oils.. I have not investigated them.. as they are some what hard to get. and saw no real need to..

Oils that are generally not good for Flat tappet cams are the API SM with the ILSAC GF3 and ILSAC GF4 ratings... the GF3 rating is 1000ppm or less of zinc, while the GF4 is 800ppm zinc or less.. which is the current rating as of 11/2007

the energy saving oils that fall in the 0Wto40, like 0w5, 0w10, 0w20, 0w30, 10w30, 10w40, 5w20, 5w30, are all very low in zinc to the tune of .800ppm or less...be sure to look for the ILSAC GF3/4 rating... GF3 GF4 is the clue to low zinc content... all the VOA's I have seen on these type of oils have all been below 800ppm with most in the 600 range


And this is the link to the thread if you want to read through the whole thing.

http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80715&highlight=zddp

(If you do decide to read it, spend the time to read the WHOLE thing, because he questions to the point of giving up on some oils (like VR1) before he finishes or completes his testing and you can't really jump to the end cause you miss a lot of his analysis on the "whats & why's")

So this is the stuff I want?
https://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?A=SHR550019904_0006509994&An=0

seacamper wrote: So this is the stuff I want? https://www.napaonline.com/Catalog/CatalogItemDetail.aspx?A=SHR550019904_0006509994&An=0

Link to Napa/oil

How about the VR1 straight 40?

Oh that is VR-1 Racing. Usually in stock at Napa or they can order and have it next day. I also use the Napa gold filter. Its ranked high in a number of filter tests referenced here on CCF or in Consumer Reports. One stop shopping!

yes, i recently pulled a borg apart and found the facings on the reverse clutch plates came right off, just as if it came unglued, this was a first and i couldnt isolate it to a plate problem. i did notice though the oil was a touch thicker and felt more of a lucas type oil maybe even a synthetic, whatever it was i felt it had an additive that made the plates unglue.
but for the borgs and the pcms, dexron/mercon or compatible

Kapla, last time I checked, most castrol gtx oil had enough zddp for flat tappets. As to why or if gt40 marine motors are not roller motors,I don't know. They should be. And if not you can buy a roller conversion kit.

The ford diesel oil has high levels of zddp too.
If I ever get a gm powered boat, it will get ford oil, ford oil filters, and autolite plugs. That will help

horkn wrote: last time I checked, most castrol gtx oil had enough zddp for flat tappets.

I don't know when you checked but it's not shown anymore.

8122pbrainard wrote: Hollywood wrote: horkn wrote: last time I checked, most castrol gtx oil had enough zddp for flat tappets. I don't know when you checked but it's not shown anymore. Kev, Don't worry, a Ford engine would NEVER give Tom any problems even if he ran water instead of oil in the crankcase!

Exactly.      
luc,   yeah I saw that.    As far as the zddp in castrol, if you look enough you can find the ratings. What I saw was that castrol across their line had very good numbers, better than most other oils. I'll see if I have those bookmarked on my PC.   I definitely don’t have them on my android.... yet.

8122pbrainard wrote: horkn wrote: As far as the zddp in castrol, if you look enough you can find the ratings. What I saw was that castrol across their line had very good numbers, better than most other oils. I'll see if I have those bookmarked on my PC.   I definitely don’t have them on my android.... yet. Due to all the fairly recent changes with oils, the documentation must be dated to back up your claims. You do not want to make the same mistake that was done earlier in this thread. It wouldn't help your image........again!!!

This was recent news regarding the castrol. I'm pretty sure I posted the link in a different thread.

I never said anything in this thread that wasn't correct .....I've seen a few incorrect things posted by others though.

horkn wrote: This was recent news regarding the castrol. I'm pretty sure I posted the link in a different thread. I never said anything in this thread that wasn't correct .....I've seen a few incorrect things posted by others though.

Come on Tom! You've got to do better than just the above!!
Did you miss this:

Hollywood wrote: horkn wrote: last time I checked, most castrol gtx oil had enough zddp for flat tappets. I don't know when you checked but it's not shown anymore.

ADD?

boat dr wrote: Show us the data, or the link, but I think you are mistaken ...

I agree - where's the data/link proof???