Mr. Buffalo

Free healthcare for anyone over 50. Now that would be reform that I can support

The banks and wall street 2 weeks ago, the car makers last week and now health care to start off this week. Couple more weeks and there won't be a thing left for the O's to do except go on oprah.

john

the old bait in switch, after only 100 days in office.....just like the blame was put on Clinton for Nafta, like Clinton he'll mop up the mess, lol, that should get ya goin

after mopping you need a rest

Riley wrote: Just remember, if it's not cost effective to treat you, they'll put you down.

I have already heard the term "Circle of Life" used already

Sure, I'll bite.

Great idea. Lets start another huge government agency that will be underfunded (or worse, over funded and a huge waste with no oversight) and failing in the first year.

I mean all the news about social security right now is bright sunshine!

Hate to sound like a prick, but most of the people without health care do not deserve it, or can afford to pay for it themselves and choose not to.

Only thing I support is health care for children, which we already have.

You could always move south...

eric lavine wrote: have you ever seen an Ohio spring?

No, have you seen spring in Georgia?

eric lavine wrote: you been to the Docter lately? your a number, at the Clinic here in Cleveland the doctors are trained to keep the patient for 12 minute visits, If you have good insurance they line you up for MRI's CAT SCANS, blood tests, cavity checks...the system is broken, and trying anything is better than it is now, the ones with insurance are paying for the ones without....the Gov needs to step in

And this is somehow going to get better when the government steps in and makes it free for everyone to go to the doctor for a hang nail? Magically, more doctors are going to appear? I think just the opposite. When Big Brother regulates all the profits out of halthcare, why go through 12 years of school to be a doctor.

Government healthcare = more patients, less doctors, lower quality

At the clinic, you may feel like a number now, Eric, but wait until it is a government agency and you will literly be a number. Kind of like all other agencies (DMV), "Now serving number 23B!" Sad part is, you are holding number 14E...

I follow you Greg. My dad grew up on a farm in Iowa. Had enough of the cold, shoveling snow etc, so he moved to GA when I was 2. Been here ever since. We may need a wet suit up a GL just to be able to take a dip in the frigid water up there.

The idea of GOV health care is scary. Take a look at the former USSR or Cuba. Socialized medicine is BAD for us all. I think the term " Just take em' out back and shoot em'" would really apply like previous posts have stated.

I drove through Gary, IN at sunrise back in about 1975 and saw colors I'd never seen back in Maine.

Alan, I had a good buddy that was from Garden Street in Pawtucket and hung out there a lot between 1970 and 1978. Between So Attelboro, Central Falls and Pawtucket, it was a pretty interesting and crazy place.

Moffoot, I differ with you on the Cuba medicin statement, people from all over the world go to Cuba for the most specialised issues.

They have many other issues, but medicin certainly isnt one of them.

To each according to their need, from each according to their ability?

Eric-
I just call it like I see it that's all. Not sure what generation your wife is from, but I am 28. I do have great health care because I went to school for 4 years and struggled to find a decent enough job to provide it (Not real easy right now). Not saying that if your job does not give you health care it is not decent or good, but that was one of the reasons I did go to school. I always had good jobs while in HS and college. They paid well and I had fun doing them, but knew at some point I would not be able to use my parents health care anymore, so I decided I would do what it would take to get myself to a point where I could get a job that would provide HC to myself and my family.

FWIW, I do not take any prescriptions and very rarely go to the doctor or call in sick to work. Probably average less than 1 sick day/yr (judging by my co-workers, that is pretty low).

I really do not try to fire you up, but do enjoy the debate!

eric lavine wrote: i call it like i see it.....and i pretty much called it.... flip the coin, do you deserve better healthcare than someone else in this country? and dont say yes because i went to school, it is discrimination in my eyes, on this topic I feel it should be equal accross the board, i get pissed off about welfare but i dont get pissed about healthcare, because you dont have control over health

Discrimination??? Come on, that is a stretch.

To some extent, I think you are right, Eric. Sometimes bad stuff just happens to otherwise good people, but I do believe you can have a large impact on your own health. Not smoking, not drinking too much, and eating right will definetely yeild better results than the opposite. Excersizing on a regular basis helps too. Like you said, welfare pisses me off and now, to throw gas on the fire, we are going to have to pay for the same person go to the doctor that we pay to sit around on their ass and smoke cigs all day. Tell me, where is the motivation to do anything or better yourself? To get yourself out of this bad situation? No, no, Obama can't have that because that person might actually not vote for him next time. He needs as many people dependent on the government as he can so the dems can hold the power as long as possible.

My other point is that we already have "universal" health care. Medicare/medicaid cover children and the elderly and the fact that you can walk into any hospital in the country and they can not refuse to help you. They are required by law to help you.

I am not saying that I am better because I went to school Eric, I am saying I am better because I take responsibility for myself.