It’s Not the Rear Seal

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   Well, I cleaned my bilge real well this evening and I placed a clean piece of cardboard under the trans. I have discovered the trans leak is coming from the bell housing. I guess this means it's a front seal and it's time to rebuild. Man, right at the beginnng of summer.

Any recommendations on who to ship the trans to? I want to expedite. It's a Borg Warner 70C 1:1 Velvet Drive.

I'm near Houston but I will ship it anywhere to insure a quality rebuild job.

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Jim_In_Houston Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim_In_Houston Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: It’s Not the Rear Seal Posted: April-19-2005 at 11:03pm
	Well, I cleaned my bilge real well this evening and I placed a clean piece of cardboard under the trans. I have discovered the trans leak is coming from the bell housing. I guess this means it's a front seal and it's time to rebuild. Man, right at the beginnng of summer. Any recommendations on who to ship the trans to? I want to expedite. It's a Borg Warner 70C 1:1 Velvet Drive. I'm near Houston but I will ship it anywhere to insure a quality rebuild job.
	Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang

jameski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: May-18-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 368	Post Options Post Reply Quote jameski Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 12:02am
	Aww man... What a bummer Maybe you can drop the tranny out of the '66 in so you can get back on the water.
	current boat 94 Sport Nautique previous boat 78 Martinique

Jim_In_Houston Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim_In_Houston Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 2:06am
	I thought about it. I really haven't touched the '66 since I got it. I just stare at it while I drink coffee or some other un-cola. (My girlfriend pretends she understands.) The trans in it may be bad for all I know. It will have to wait... This stuff is fun isn't it?
	Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang

79nautique Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Grand Poobah Joined: January-27-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7872	Post Options Post Reply Quote 79nautique Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 12:46pm
	Jim take a look at these guy's I was thinking of using them but had a buddy rebuild mine instead. http://www.outdrives.us/transmission.htm

mackwrench Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February-25-2005 Location: Gone Status: Offline Points: 190	Post Options Post Reply Quote mackwrench Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 1:46pm
	Jim, You appear to be a mechanical type of guy, Print off the manual here and do the rebuild your self! It may just have a front bearing failure.... Any rate you can look at the service manual here and get familiar with it. Good luck!
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skyhawkflyer Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February-08-2005 Location: Zimbabwe Status: Offline Points: 275	Post Options Post Reply Quote skyhawkflyer Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 2:01pm
	If it's just leaking why don't you snatch it out of there and put a seal in it? Does it really need to be rebuilt yet? Does it shift OK?

Jim_In_Houston Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim_In_Houston Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 2:04pm
	Mack, I'll look at before I send it out. Maybe I can just change the front bearing and seal and do a complete rebuild some other time. I would enjoy doing the rebuild myself, it's becoming a time thing. I doubt I would have a complete rebuild finished before the end of summer. In the meantime I'm going to checkout outdrives.us.
	Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang

Jim_In_Houston Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim_In_Houston Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 2:07pm
	It shifts OK. Maybe I can just throw in a seal (and bearing) - I'll pull it and look at it.
	Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang

64 Skier Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: February-08-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 415	Post Options Post Reply Quote 64 Skier Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 3:15pm
	Jim, the front seal is not difficult. This tranny is popular in shrimpers in your part of the country...probably speak a little french and get a discount.
	64 Skier 66" HO VTX and 67" HO Triumph 71CC

David F Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: June-11-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1770	Post Options Post Reply Quote David F Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 3:18pm
	Jim: If you decide it needs rebuilding and you do not want to do it yourself, you might want to consider purchasing a remanufactured unit and once you receive it, send yours back for core credit. This should expedite getting you back on the water. Also, I am sure there are several places in Houston that can do the rebuild for you, just ask the local dealer or several boat mechanics in your area who is the best rebuilder. FWIW, I once had a 64 Chris Craft that had a leaky tranny when I purchased her. It turned out to just need new seals and all was fine. However, given your failure scenario, I would be concerned about bearing failure.

Jim_In_Houston Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim_In_Houston Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 3:44pm
	I concur. Shrimp boats? Really?
	Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang

danman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: February-04-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 56	Post Options Post Reply Quote danman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 6:49pm
	Jim- you can ship it to me, I'm in North Georgia, I know where to get the rebuild kit with all the seals for cheap.... I'll rebuild it to like new!

Jim_In_Houston Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim_In_Houston Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 7:04pm
	Thanks danman. I want to see if I can get by just rteplacing the front seal first. What's your opinion of that?
	Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang

danman Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: February-04-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 56	Post Options Post Reply Quote danman Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 10:15pm
	I have a 78 nautique, with about 1770 hours on the boat, I too had a rear seal leak, then the front, but anyways, when I had the engine out last winter for the over haul, I went through everything while I had it all out! I rebuilt the starter, the alternator, and I think I only paid about $40 for a complete seal kit/snap rings. I will have to find out the company's name I ordered it from, but when I went through the tranny, both the forward and reverse piston seals were pretty hard and brittle. I am glad I went through it before those seals gave away and destroyed a set of clutch discs and steal discs. The tranny is very simple. Like I said I would be happy to do the overhaul for you...

Jim_In_Houston Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Platinum Member Joined: September-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1120	Post Options Post Reply Quote Jim_In_Houston Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 11:21pm
	It looks like you have good skills. Email me and we will work out the particulars. Tell me what you need and I will have the replacement parts shipped to you. It may be this week-end before I pull the trans. Thanks Dan, jim@electricaltrainingusa.com (That's one of my web sites.)
	Happy owner of a '66 and a '68 Mustang

cshire Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: July-02-2004 Status: Offline Points: 21	Post Options Post Reply Quote cshire Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April-20-2005 at 11:26pm
	www.marinegears.com sells parts, manuals, etc. Also offers rebuild services. Forum on their website may be helpful. I think the owner is Mark and he answers a lot of the questions on the forum.

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