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Scrawford
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Posted: June-08-2010 at 1:30pm |
I wanted to share with members my recent experience regarding the Hull Hugger muffler on my 97 SN.
Over the weekend I noticed a crack (and water leak) in the muffler. Upon pulling it Sunday night I found out that the bypass tube inside came loose. After almost having a heart attack over the $550 cost for a new one, I decided to rebuild it myself. I'll post the details in a couple weeks after I confirm that it worked, but basically I cut an access hole on the larger side, re-epoxied the tube in place, then rebonded the piece I cut out. It looks good this morning and I am going to give it a try tonight. Total cost about $35 and 2 hours. If it works that makes for quite a bit of beer money... |
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Eric
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Scrawford
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So the repair worked perfect. Patched it up with 2-part epoxy and glass weave from Lowe's. MAKE SURE AND CUT YOUR ACCESS HOLE AT A 45 DEGREE ANGLE. The muffler is made up of two layers of glass with a layer of rubber in-between. If you cut straight down through the glass the inner layer won't be able to be reset. I cut a square about 6" x 12" on the top of the larger side and it worked perfect. If anyone has any specific questions let me know.
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M3Fan
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I'd be really interested in seeing some pics.
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Scrawford
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Unfortunately in the haste of the rebuild I forgot to snap photos. Super easy though, but easier than planned. If anyone is thinking of doing it just PM me and I can walk you through it or discuss on the phone.
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Eric
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AussieNorts
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hey i know you posted this ages ago but i have a question, i also have a 97 sport, i have to pull my hull hugger as i have a leak there somewhere also. I noticed last night when looking around it that it has worn the fibreglass underneath it(the Hull) especially under the corners of the hugger. Did you have this issue? Not sure if i have to just get some rubber mat for it to stop the rubbing between it and the hull, or do i also have to repair the hull as well? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
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Correct craft.....is there any other boat?
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Chopper
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Hey Steve,
Your muffler should not be sitting directly on the inside hull. It should have some rubber pads attached to the underside to separate it and prevent wear from vibration etc. You may have worn thru a corner of the muffler or it could be split on the underside. Is that your 97 I noticed on boatpoint today.? |
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AussieNorts
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i Had it on boat point but took it off, i couldn`t find it when i looked for it. Hope they took it down as i have a shed for the boat now and am starting to do a lot of work on it. I may need to ask you some more questions in the future, sounds like you have done heaps to you ski. I plan on doing interior soon.
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Correct craft.....is there any other boat?
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Scrawford
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No, I didn't have that problem, mine was all on the top. Yes, you should have some low durometer rubber between the hull hugger and the hull (I'd check McMaster Carr). Since glass repair is so easy (when non-cosmetic), I would go ahead and pull the muffler and repair it, just to make sure. It will cost you about $20 and could prevent catastrophic failure of the muffler.
By the way, my first post I said to use the 2-part epoxy from Lowe's. I now wouldn't recommend it. I just had to repatch mine because the muffler started to crack on the top. This time I used the standard lay-up resin from an auto parts store and its looks good (see attached). For those that have never done glass repair, here is the general process: 1. Rough surface with sandpaper to remove paint and sheen 2. Pre-cut the woven fabric to the specific size required 3. Mix resin with hardener (~15 work time once mixed) 4. DO NOT ADD EXTRA HARDENER! 5. Using a stiff brisled brush, apply a liberal coat of resin 6. Lay on glass weave, and tap in place with brush (no add'l resin at this time) 7. Once weave is fully saturated, apply another coat of resin over the top 8. Be sure to work out bubbles with brush, as bubbles in resin will cause premature failure 9. If patching corner, cut slot in fabric so that fabric will lay flat against existing material. Good luck! Any questions let me know. |
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Eric
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Scrawford
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Here is a picture.
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Eric
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Scrawford
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And another.
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Eric
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AussieNorts
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I have removed the hull hugger today and havenoticed how much it has worn. Also under thehugger was very worn so i have repaired with poly resin and fibre sheet. I will post some photos, of the repair job on the hullhugger and the need of repair of the hull, does anyone have any suggestions about repairing the hull? e.g. what i should use etc.. any help would be greatly appreciated, i wanted to have her back on the water next weekend.
Any guidance from the experienced guys here is always great thanks again. Steve |
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Correct craft.....is there any other boat?
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Scrawford
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I think you got it. I would fade the area a little to allow the sheet to lay flat, then just use some resin and fabric. I would use the shredded fabric rather than than the braid, I think it would be a bit better choice for that area.
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Eric
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
From the pictures, to me it looks like only the decorative gel coating is worn off the hull. Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about it. |
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AussieNorts
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So should I just paint some new gel coat over the exposed red areas? Another question, do I have to use a special paint to paint the hull hugger after the resin sets?
Steve. |
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8122pbrainard
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Steve,
You can put some new gel down if you want but as mentioned, it's decorative and I feel the muffler will cover up the worn spots. I'd just sand the gloss off the muffler repair and spray it with a aerosol can of semi gloss. Nothing special. |
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winniskier
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The muffler in 1997 closed bow has a hole. It leaks like a fountain when the boat is at rest and sprays hot air and water when running. The crack is crescent shaped where the beautiful Carol Merril (hand in picture)is pointing. I am tempted to repair it, but only if I can be sure it will not repeat the same way or worse. The engine overheated and fried the first engine in 2000. This caused the port down tube to break under the clamps years after. I am thinking that the muffler suffered from overheating as well. Any idea why it would crack in this spot and what is going on?
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Scrawford
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Jim - There is a ton of pressure inside the muffler when you bury the throttle from idle. This pressure is most likely what caused the crack. I would remove it from the boat and shake it to make sure that the bypass tube inside has not came loose (common problem).
ALSO, YOU CAN FIX THIS YOURSELF, IT IS EASY. Go to an auto parts store and pick up a fiberglass repair kit. This will contain resin, hardener, and woven fiberglass. I would avoid the random weave stuff as when it gets covered in resin the fibers start to come off. Also pick up a pair of plastic gloves, course sandpaper, and acetone. Here is the process: 1. Sand ALL the black off the area, the more the better. I would do an area at least 4" x 6", but 8 x 11 would be even better. If you have a vibratory sander or something similar that works great. Be agressive and make sure and sand into the glass a bit (you won't damage it). 2. Clean the area with Acetone and let it dry for at least 30-60 minutes. 3. Cut two pieces of glass slightly smaller than the cleaned area. This is important, DO NOT make it the same size as the cleaned area because you don't want any resin or fabric to extend onto the painted area because this will cause premature failure of the repair. 4. Mix the resin and hardener. Remember, you need to be completely done in about 15 minutes from this step. 5. Apply a coat of light resin to the surface. 6. Apply your first layer of fabric and using a tapping motion with the saturated paint brush work the bubbles out of the fabric. 7. Apply another coat of resin over the top so the surface is fully coated. 8. Repeat with the second layer of fabric. 9. Let cure for 24 hours before use. I would plan a total time of about four hours, easily done on a weekend afternoon. Good luck! If you have any questions just ask. All 4. |
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winniskier
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I sanded off the paint. It appears that the hole is in a gap of a layer of cloth. It looks like a strip encircled the muffler, but was to short for the ends to touch.
Yhe tubes are not loose, but the baffle is not secured, not very loose, but it moves a little. Is this normal or will this create issues down the line? |
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SNobsessed
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If you can reinforce it, do it now!
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winniskier
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I can't tell how the baffle is secured to the sides of the muffler. Looking from the tubes, I can see no adhesive or fiberglass connecting the baffle to the side of the muffler. From the hole, same thing. It looks like the the baffles slides into a channel on the inside of the muffler shell and that the channel holds it in place. I'd like to know before I cut into it to fix it. Any ideas?
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Jim
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Scrawford
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On my muffler the baffle is secured using two 'L' brackets between the tube and the upper and lower inside housing that is fiberglassed in place.
If you have a hole fix it now. All you need to do is sand it down, clean it with some carb cleaner, then re-glass it. Let me know if you have any specific questions. |
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Eric
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winniskier
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Thank you. The concern is that the baffle seen through the hole is not secure. If it is attached by "L" brackets in other spots inside the muffler, then that would explain whi it does not seem to be attached near the hole. Does this make sense?
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Jim
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Bri892001
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Can you reach in and pull out the loose baffle? Probably better not too have it, then to have it get lodged somewhere undesirable.
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winniskier
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I cut out a section with the hole.
The baffle sits in a groove that is cut into the inside wall of the muffler. The baffle is not connected to the groove. Either by design or by wear, the baffle can move in the groove. This movement helped create the hole. The otherwise thick wall of the muffler is much thinner where the groove was cut. Plus, the spot where hole formed was in a gap of fiberglass cloth encircling the muffler at the location of the groove. So my plan is to fill the gap created by the Dremel blade and the groove in the cut out section with fiberglass paste so the baffle will be held in the groove by fiberglass. This will stop the baffle from floating in the groove. Anyone think I should let it float? I can't think of a good reason. When this is all done, I would cover all of it with two or three layers of fiberglass cloth. Comments? |
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Jim
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C-Bass
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Just get rid of the muffler altogether.
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winniskier
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I understand the sentiment, but I need to hear your reasons before I go spending $600 on a new one.
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Jim
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Bri892001
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He's most likely suggesting a Y-pipe conversion as discussed here: http://www.nautiqueowners.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=14912&PID=172459&title=replacing-muffler-with-y-pipe-on-97-nautique It would cost a couple bucks to get the Y and you might need some additional exhaust hose, but still a lot cheaper than a new muffler. I was going to suggest this earlier, but I figured where you were going to so much trouble to fix the baffles, you must like the boat quiet. I'd be curious to see what it sounds like without the muffler. I'm kind of considering tossing my invertaflow in favor of the Y, but I do ski early in the morning on a small lake, so I figure I'll keep the muffler until it gives me problems. |
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Scrawford
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I would try the repair, as there is nothing to lose. I think you are right in putting some adhesive in there, just make sure to clean it all with a good decreaser (and give it time to outgas) before starting any repair.
As for the y-pipe commonly discussed on these forums, I like my boat quiet so it has never been and never will be an option. Not that there is anything wrong with it though... Good luck! |
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winniskier
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Here it is repaired.
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Jim
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Bri892001
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Good work, summer is fast approaching
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