Burn the Koran day...???

even when i see one of our own burning our flag, the blood pressure goes up....not a good idea to burn the Koran

I grew up in a Catholic home and now I try to be a good Christian. This guy has a lot of hate in him. What good can come from it?

I find it interesting that a guy no one ever heard of has the world on pins and needles just by threatening to burns some books.

Kris, agreed this type of demonstration will likely acheive nothing positive.

We could debate whether this will cause additional Muslims to "cross over" into the extreme and target Westerners. I would argue that those susceptible to such persuasions are likely to chose any random event they feel sacrilege or offensive to Islam as a turning point.

Kris, I'm interested to hear of your experiences w/ the Muslim population in Belgium, and Europe as well. Likewise, I would like to hear the experiences/opinions of the other members we have from overseas. From what I have heard and read the European experience w/ Muslim immigrants is a bit different from our experience here in the States. About a month ago I posted a link to a video which my father had sent me. Three things about Islam.
I had a few concerns regarding the video and I took my father to task on them. Primarily, I felt the video perpetuates intollerance by calling into question the honesty of the Muslim population as a whole.
In hindsight, I should have held that post until I had the time to commit to an in-depth, on-line conversation regarding the topic. So my apologies to those who responded.

While I have concerns regarding Islamic extremism and how we as a civilized society respond to it, I feel an equally important issue at hand is how we interact with the moderate Muslims around us. My impression is that the Muslim population in the States has become a more integrated population than their counterparts in Europe. I could very well be wrong, it's simply my impression. Their integration into Western (free) society being important because ultimately I feel is it the moderate Muslim's responsibility to address, attack and irradicate Islamic extremism. As of now I am not overly impressed with those efforts. To borrow an old phrase...If they are not going to be part of the solution, then they are part of the problem. At this point in time I feel it is imperative for moderate Muslims to move to the front in the effort to combat Islamic extremism.

While our response to this news item may be to grimace or cringe or even for some, to feel ashamed of some of their fellow Americans, I believe one important point to take away from this is the fact that this fellow has the right to do such a thing without having to fear prosecution from his government for a peaceful, albeit offensive, demonstration. This would not be the case under an Islamic government.

Terp wrote: Kris, I'm interested to hear of your experiences w/ the Muslim population in Belgium, and Europe as well. Likewise, I would like to hear the experiences/opinions of the other members we have from overseas. From what I have heard and read the European experience w/ Muslim immigrants is a bit different from our experience here in the States. About a month ago I posted a link to a video which my father had sent me. Three things about Islam. I had a few concerns regarding the video and I took my father to task on them. Primarily, I felt the video perpetuates intollerance by calling into question the honesty of the Muslim population as a whole.

My experience about the Muslim community is that many of them are "integrated", but still remain Muslim in the first place. An example of that is that a very moderated Muslim I know very well, who drinks beer at our local bar just like us, makes jokes about forreingers just like us, skies behind my boat and so on, shocked me a little when I asked him (quite a few years ago) what he would do if he would encounter Salman Rushdie (at the time he wrote his book about the Koran... "I would kill him right away, like the Ayatollah asked us"...

I think Dave says it best:

OverMyHead wrote: living in a country that allows freedom means you should honor it, not abuse it.

My personal problem is that we all have to be SOOOOOO politically correct with them, while they show no respect for us...

My personal problem is that we all have to be SOOOOOO politically correct with them, while they show no respect for us...[/QUOTE]

That's it in a nut shell.

Riley wrote: My personal problem is that we all have to be SOOOOOO politically correct with them, while they show no respect for us...

That's it in a nut shell.[/QUOTE]

+1 well said.

What about the little reported on fact that the Greek Orthodox church is getting flack and being held up on the rebuilding of their church which was destroyed on 9/11. Why are they having so much trouble? Why is that not making news? As far as I know no citizens are opposed to their rebuilding. Where's the equality?

Terp wrote: Mr Rushdie is free to have and express his religious views and other Muslims will lay claim to this same right. But when his view is diagreeable or objectionable he should pay for it with his life? I would say that Muslim is not so integrated or moderate. He sounds more like the so-called "wolf in sheep's clothing" to me.

Fact number 3 of the "Three things about Islam"-video...

What, my son is in Afganistan! One guy could easily cause world wide mayhem. I'm lost for words. Wait - there's a wasp nest as big as a basket ball in the barn - I think I'll go poke at it... - IDIOT!!!

I've got over 31 years in total military/civil service with the Navy and Marines. Some how I've never seen OUR UNION JACK mishandled in any way in person. I WILL give my life to stop it. I cry at a ball game, race or any public event when our National Anthem is played. I know the cost of freedom and I'm proud to be a Patriot!

Waterdog wrote: I've got over 31 years in total military/civil service with the Navy and Marines. Some how I've never seen OUR UNION JACK mishandled in any way in person. I WILL give my life to stop it. I cry at a ball game, race or any public event when our National Anthem is played. I know the cost of freedom and I'm proud to be a Patriot!

I know exactly how you feel.

The Korans are not going to burn. I will just wait, Im sure muslims around the world will now apologise and replace our flags. Do de dumm dee do, anytime now.

OverMyHead wrote: I will just wait, Im sure muslims around the world will now apologise and replace our flags.

Off coooooouuuurse they will my dear boy, off cousre. Just keep waiting...

I Usually don't dive into these discussions, and I will preface my stance by saying the guy in Gainesville is obviously very dim and couldn't think of a fresh or creative way to make himself heard...burning books is obviously ignorant, and on the same level as the "death to christian's" crowd.

With that being said, Does it not strike anyone here as remotely odd and f----d up, that the advocate, Iman, was on the news issuing a warning to Americans, not to protest the Mosque site or it will cause violence from the radicals? He was warning us to not protest his people, when he is citing his right to free speach in a FREE country!

We have our hands tied behind our backs with beuaracratic red tape! They can attempt to destroy Christian societies systematically, one by one, with their cowardly attacks on innocent people, who simply have a different religious and cultural belief than them...but we aren't even allowed to protest their violence, clear hatred of christianity, harboring of terrorism, and in-humanity in our own country?!

It's ok for them to threaten, and kill...but this guy can't burn a book if his simple brain feels like it?

I have lost several good friends over-seas in the last few years and it hurts to see someone so close to home, issuing warnings against what my friends as well as thousands of others have fought and died for...Our freedom in a FREE country!