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    Posted: August-15-2011 at 10:54am
DOING ABOUT 50 IN A HARD TURN BOAT STARTED VIBRATING BADLY HOBBLED HOME PUT ON LIFT ONE EAR OFF PROP IS GONE. 1976 MUSTANG 17 302 12RH14 PROP ANYONE HAVE A NICE ONE FOR SALE. IF NOT WHAT WOULD BE A BETTER PROP OR IS WHAT I HAD SUFFICIENT? HAD A 12X9 HANGING ON WALL FOR DECORATION AND ON A WHIM IT FIT BUT DOES THAT EVER SUCK ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRICIATED THANKS AL
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HEY AL.....PLEASE DON'T USE CAPS AS IT MAKES IT HARDER TO READ AND PLUS IN BLOG LANGUAGE YOU'RE SHOUTING!

Give the guys at Delta Props a call and tell them your a CCFan and they'll hook you up plus give you discount.Might even be able to upgrade your old prop for a new one.
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sorry bout the caps did not know that. ill call them now thanks for the help
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That's a wild ride isn't it. I threw a blade once while I was barefooting and I felt the shaking in the handle at the end of a 100' rope.

Hold out for a few hours there are a few guys here that should have some prop input for that boat, they'll chime in sooner or later.
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I suggest calling up OJ and sticking with the 12" diameter.

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Delta handles OJ as well as Billy and Karen.


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I say do a search on EBAY under "inboard propellers" and find one. You might save a few dollars for gas money.
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See what TRBENJ has to say for recommendations.

Seems like he's tried every Hull/Engine/Transmission/Propeller combination possible. I know he's propped boats similar to yours.

Most talk about ACME 3 blades as being the best performers now. You could probably pick up a little bit of extra performance along the way, as long as you already have to replace. There's used ACMEs out there now too. I'm sure someone on this site could probably hook you up.
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I havent played around with the 17' Mustang17/American Skier hull at all... but I bet either the Acme 1210 (12.5x12 3-blade) or the OJ 12x13 3-blade would work well on it. Those are my favorite all-around props for my 302 powered 16.5' Skier.

Then again, if your use of the boat or the environment you run in are extreme (weighting the boat heavily, operating at an extreme altitude, etc) or have extensive engine mods, then something else may work better...
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Originally posted by Daves1980ski Daves1980ski wrote:

I say do a search on EBAY under "inboard propellers" and find one. You might save a few dollars for gas money.


And you might inherit someone elses junk.. if you are going to drive a boat hard.. like a turn at 50.. at the very least spend the money and know that you have trustworthy running gear. You, passengers, and gear being thrown out of a running boat at 50 as a result of an equipment failure is not something to mess around with.
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I've thrown blades off two of my props through the years. The first time was on my 64 and it punched a hole in the bottom. That's when I really found out that the bottom needed replacing. When I pulled the engine I discovered the inner keel under the engine was pretty rotten.

Not wanting to go through this again, a friend with a metal inspection service X rayed the second prop. He didn't have anything to reference good or bad so I got a hold of Michagan Wheel. I ended up sending the X ray to one of their engineers who had been with them sometime like 30 years!! I called him after giving him plenty of time to take a look at the X ray and asked him his thoughts. He told me he really didn't have any since this was the first X ray of a prop he had ever seen!!!


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Pete, If I can't find a metal inspection service to go to do you think a veterinarian or a dentist would be more likely to take the X ray for me? haha

and how have the words POWER TURN not come up in this thread...?

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My day job (as a Veterinarian) has taught me that we don't have ANYTHING that would generate enough kV to penetrate brass or alloy props with x-rays. Pen clips and staples block medical x-ray beams..... and talk about x-ray scatter! A prop is a definite no-no on the x-ray table. If you find a machine that can actually penetrate it ..... don't stand in the room or even the building while it is taking the radiograph!!

I bet Pete's radiograph of his prop looked like a white prop on a black backround....... and nothing else.......... LOL.
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Steve we actually do X-rays all the time at work. In fact there is a Dept dedicated to just that function and eddy current inspection. The High museum of Art here in Atlanta even brought a sculture of some famous artist a while back to have it x-rayed so that they could determine the internal integrity of the thing.

Most of the engine parts go through Floresant Penetrant Inspection or FPI where they drown the part in a gatorade green solution for a few minutes then rinse it off then look at the part under a black light. If there's a crack somewhere it will show up as a green crack..pretty neat stuff..

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Didn't say they can't be done, just that they are not medical x-rays.....for S's and G's, what is their kV or mAs? Bet it is A LOT higher than what we do........

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Originally posted by Air206 Air206 wrote:

My day job (as a Veterinarian) has taught me that we don't have ANYTHING that would generate enough kV to penetrate brass or alloy props with x-rays. Pen clips and staples block medical x-ray beams..... and talk about x-ray scatter! A prop is a definite no-no on the x-ray table. If you find a machine that can actually penetrate it ..... don't stand in the room or even the building while it is taking the radiograph!!

I bet Pete's radiograph of his prop looked like a white prop on a black backround....... and nothing else.......... LOL.

Steve,
Tim's correct and understand that the X ray equipment is big time different. The X ray showed up plenty of casting inclusions and was the reason I sent it off to Michigan Wheel. I was very disappointed that they were of no help. BTW, that prop that was X rayed is still on the boat today. This friend who has the business, has built a reputation for inspecting many an aerospace part. Some parts are 100% inspected (every single parts goes through the process before it goes into service). Yes, you do not want to be in the same room and the walls around the equipment are THICK!!

That "friend" had the gall to send me an invoice!!


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Sure he should send you a bill..... it probably cost him 50 bucks just to turn that baby on! Image what the maintenance agreement cost for repair is!! Our machines only cost $100,000.00 ...... and there is no way we can penetrate that propeller.

(Keep that in mind when you ask your friend the vet for a radiograph of your pup! LOL!)
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Originally posted by Air206 Air206 wrote:

Image what the maintenance agreement cost for repair is!! Our machines only cost $100,000.00 ...... and there is no way we can penetrate that propeller.

Now I know why it costs me so much to go the my dentist!!

BTW, I doubt he had a maintenance agreement for his equipment. He had some pretty decent maintenance staff and Raul could fix anything. Industrial is big time different than a medical office! I don't feel doctors and wiring mix very well!


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I'd love to have a machine with that kind of x-ray power! Talk about a serious CAT SCAN! LOL!
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thanks to everyone for theyre help. called delta outta cinci ohio talked to gary (brilliant) lucked out he has same boat as i and suggested a 12 1/2rh 12! oh my god! he shipped out mon am for 357.00 thanks to the ccf discount saved me 25.00 that was an hour of gas yeah!
kept watching tracking of ups online it arrived at my cottage locked up the office flew home had prop swapped in 5 minutes. the new prop is amazing planes out right now gained about 5 mph handles massively better what a ball i wish prop had broken sooner. but thanks again for all the help. anyone know where i can get a bimini top thatll fit 76 mustang 17 frame canopy and all hardware? much appriciated for the tips and advise. who x rays a propeller? thats actually pretty funny cheers gentlemen thanks again
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Originally posted by mustang allie mustang allie wrote:

suggested a 12 1/2rh 12!

Sounds like an Acme 1210?
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by mustang allie mustang allie wrote:

suggested a 12 1/2rh 12!

Sounds like an Acme 1210?


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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Originally posted by mustang allie mustang allie wrote:

suggested a 12 1/2rh 12!

Sounds like an Acme 1210?


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Waiting for confirmation first... but maybe.
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Originally posted by mustang allie mustang allie wrote:

flew home had prop swapped in 5 minutes.

It doesn't sound like you lapped the new prop to the shaft. You may want to consider doing that. Acme even has a instruction sheet that says it's recommended. It should have come with the new prop.

You may also want to take a look at this thread: proper prop


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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Originally posted by Daves1980ski Daves1980ski wrote:

I say do a search on EBAY under "inboard propellers" and find one. You might save a few dollars for gas money.


And you might inherit someone elses junk.. if you are going to drive a boat hard.. like a turn at 50.. at the very least spend the money and know that you have trustworthy running gear. You, passengers, and gear being thrown out of a running boat at 50 as a result of an equipment failure is not something to mess around with.


That very thing just happened in a lake 10 mins away from me. 5 passengers aboard a SN and all thrown out during a hard turn...one death.
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Originally posted by mustang allie mustang allie wrote:

thanks to everyone for theyre help. called delta outta cinci ohio talked to gary (brilliant) lucked out he has same boat as i and suggested a 12 1/2rh 12! oh my god! he shipped out mon am for 357.00 thanks to the ccf discount saved me 25.00 that was an hour of gas yeah!
kept watching tracking of ups online it arrived at my cottage locked up the office flew home had prop swapped in 5 minutes. the new prop is amazing planes out right now gained about 5 mph handles massively better what a ball i wish prop had broken sooner. but thanks again for all the help. anyone know where i can get a bimini top thatll fit 76 mustang 17 frame canopy and all hardware? much appriciated for the tips and advise. who x rays a propeller? thats actually pretty funny cheers gentlemen thanks again


Just curious what you use for a prop puller?
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truly appriciate the helpful tips from such a knowledgable bunch. boy it makes me feel really stupid not happy and excited about how much more fun this boat has become overnight. while im on a roll of stupidity might as well go all in, what is lapping? the gentleman at delta said just make sure the key is in down position and equally separated from shaft and prop?????? i used a huge brass prop puller that came from my uncles gar wood. im really sorry im not as keen and informed than so many others thats why the questions. if anyone could explain what i did wrong would someone enlighten me so another prop doesnt get ruined if i havent already done so in the 30 mins i put on her yesterday. thanks again for the help and ill try to overcome my incompetance. one doesnt learn if one doesnt ask thanks again
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i read the instrutions on proper prop install and the guy who did the lesson with the bluing on the shaft is a pretty sharp guy. the article did make sense, however is it possible that i did a proper job of install since there were no noticeable issues vibrate shaking ? is it imperative to go through all those steps and if the ansswer is yes then well pull it off tonight and do it the suggested proper method. sorry i was so short earlier ive just learned in mgmt over 20 years making someone feel dumb isnt the best way to explain something, but thanks for all the help in the future ill just do a search for any problem i have before wasting anyones time.
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Prop manufacturers can only get the mating surface close to what your strut has and lapping will custom fit them together. For optimum performance and reduced vibration you should lap the prop. Cheap insurance and piece of mind.
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Here are online instructions on the delta site. They don't mention anything about the bluing etc.

The thing common to both sets of instructions is to make sure the prop is all the way seated on the taper and not letting the key interfere with how far onto the taper it can go. If the prop goes to the same point with and without the key, then you have it right.

The "key" is that the prop not getting all it's torque through the key while underway.

If you're confident that you were careful about your installation, my vote would be to just enjoy your new prop.
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The blueing is simply an optional step to show you how far off the bore taper on the prop is off from the shaft taper. You can see how far mine was off in the first Prussian blue picture.


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