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    Posted: September-16-2005 at 1:49am
Well, I got spark today on my Mustang project. I got the motor to cough a little bit, but it still won't run. I don't think it's getting any gas.

But I didn't get any further than that becuase I sliced my hand open with a utility knife trying to cut through some hose. A nice clean slice, too inches long across the base of my palm on the left hand. I had to give up working on the boat to go to the ER. Bummer. Maybe tomorrow I'll be able to figure out the fuel problem. Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot? I suspect there's something wrong with the fuel pump or it's wiring.
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[QUOTE=dchris17] . Any suggestions on how to troubleshoot?QUOTE]

Well, one suggestion would be to wear some gloves when you break out the knife

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The gloves would only have slowed the blade down a little bit. It was a utility knife with a fresh blade.
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The thought gives me the willys. Why were you cutting hose?
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It doesn't look so bad this morning. Just a nice clean cut - at least the knife was good and sharp.

Anyway, I was cutting hose off the motor so that I could replace it. It hasn't been used in six years and they look pretty suspect.

Here's my hand, all cleaned up.
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Cut looks good now....good thing you didn't cut a little lower on your wrist, been bad news. Be carefull! Keep posting what you do to your boat, been interesting reading what you had to do to get it. Good luck!
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So does anyone have a serious answer to Chris' fuel question? I got nuttin'. Not a great engine guy myself.

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If the boat's been sitting around for a long time, the fuel filter could be crudded up pretty good. Before you go out and buy a pump or tear up your engine on the way to doing that, check the filter. I know that was affecting my boat's performance at one time.
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Good call. I'm going to check the fuel/water separator tomorrow. Did they also come with an inline fuel filter back then? I haven't seen one anywhere.
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Take a fuel container and run a hose directly from the fuel pump to the tempo fuel supply. This takes the fuel tank, lines, and filter out of the trouble shoot equation. Go ahead and check the pressure of the fuel pump at this time. I think off hand without looking,it should be around 5-10 psi. Somebody with the numbers help me out.

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You don't think you're getting fuel or you don't know if you're getting fuel? Take the flame arrestor off and look down the carb while the throttle is pumped a couple of times.
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Thanks. I'll try both of these this weekend.
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I had an issue with my other boat last year where the carb floats were sticking. They would stick in the position they're in when the float bowls were full, so the engines would fire, run for a second or two, then die. I think it was some bad gas. For the 3 weekends or so that it took to run that tank out, I had to tap the front and back float bowls of the carbs before starting and it would run fine all day. The engine guy who figured it out said he had never seen that before.

You can disconnect your fuel line at the carb and crank it over and you should see gas pumping out (try to catch it in a cup). If you do, you know it's carb related (filter, floats, gummed up?) If you don't see any gas, it's most likely fuel lines or pump.
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dchris; Liked the post of the hand. Nice job. also liked your diary post, boat looks better already. You are gonna love it...jbear
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If you find it has fuel and she still acts funny, make sure, since you performed a complete tune-up, that you check the dwell(if applicable), and the timing while cranking it over. Might want to double check spark plug wire order to be sure. Dont get caught chasing ghosts since it has not been run.
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Okay, I've found the fuel problem. The filter was completely trashed. Now, when I push the throttle forward, fuel squirts into the carb. I'm getting lots of white smoke backfiring out of the carb every couple of cranks. I double checked the spark and verified my #1 spot on the distributor. Any ideas? How many cranks do you think it ought to take to purge the 6 year old fuel in the line from the filter to the carb? It didnt' occur to me to drain that.
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She runs!!!! Go ahead and slam on me all you want for screwing up, but I'm so happy I don't care. I was driving to West Marine and it occurred to me that I had followed the firing order clockwise on my distributor cap, when it was really counter clockwise. So, I rearranged the wires, turned the key, and she fired right up. It's a beautiful sound too!!!
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Congratulations!

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Dchris17...way to go man. Do you think you will get it in the water this fall!

I have enjoyed following your quest to buy that thing and now that you did , am excited to see you succeed in getting it on the lake!
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dchris; Congrats! What a sound, huh? Makes it all worth while. That sound is why I gave up on new boats and bought the '80. I, too have been enjoying your posts and pics, please let us all keep following this story....jbear
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1974 Correct Craft Mustang 17: $700
Inboard Trailer: $100
Tires & Wheels: $170
Tune up kit, oil, & other basic parts: $200

The growl of a classic boat doing 50 in open water: PRICESLESS.

This boat is so awesome. I can't believe I pulled this deal. Thanks to everyone who gave me advice and encouragement - it really helped.
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Seeing and hearing them run on a trailer is one thing, wait until you see how cool it looks and sounds when sitting in the water. I will place a years wage it will take your breath away. If you think your excited now.....just wait!!! I went through the same except I didnt steal the boat!!   
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not to burst your bubble but don't believe that you are actaully doing 50, your speedo's most likely are not accurate, 40-45 is more realistic. good to hear you are up and rnning and enjoying your new toy.
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79Nautique, you couldn't burst my bubble with a hot poker. It probably wasn't 50 (speedo doesn't actually work) but it sure felt like it. My old Rinker never went that fast, and sure didn't get up on plane as fast as this boat.

By the way Jeff, we took it out on the water today. And you're right, it was awesome.
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Mustangs are pretty fast. All of the ones that I have seen and running right will usually do at least 45 mph. Crank the timing up a bit and run premium gas with a good prop and they will usually do 47-48 mph. Our stock 307 chevy 225 hp (OMC 225) will do 50 with 2 heavy people in the back seat and myself driving. It goes faster with more weight in the back. Bring those people to the front and it will do 48 mph. Our other Mustang 17 with the old 302 would do 47 with the timing set at 18 degrees advance at idle My measurements are done with a radar gun so I know its accurate. I also check the speedo using it.
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I've got to find someone with a radar gun. I'm going to try to buy a set of gauges this week, then I'll at least have a better idea of the rpm's I'm getting out of it. I went as fast as I dared on Saturday, but it seemed like the motor had more to give. It'll be interesting to see what kind of numbers I can get.

Next year I'm going to upgrade the prop. Everything on this site makes me think the Acme 540 is the way to go.

The thing I can't believe is that it runs so well after nothing more than a basic tune-up. I really expected worse when I bought the boat.
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I think whoever had it just let it rot away. I am still thinking on the noise issue. Damper springs a possibility, but they usually will chatter idling also. Might try pulling on the prop and turning it to see if everything feels smooth. Deceleration tries to pull the shaft out of the transmission.
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When I pull on the prop, is it supposed to spin? Should I put it in neutral to do this?
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It doesnt matter what gear your in, just want to see if the bearings are running smooth. Also, there should be no movement forward/back on the shaft. Wish I could hear it. By the way, have you tried a power turn??
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Jeff...

Power turn? You talkin about a whirlybird? As Jed Clampit would say...Wee doggies!

My 72 stang will top out @ 48 when all is in tune!

540 acme...gonna be my b-day gift! I like the idea of spinning a bigger wheel!I think that one is the best choice for a mustang! Keith has a tread with a comparison...if you have not read it...you should. He put the 540 on his mustang and logged peformance differences...check it out!
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