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    Posted: December-08-2012 at 7:46am
When the burglar has to call 911, you know wheels still go 'round in Texas. Priceless, and maybe we should mail this guy a beer.


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In NYC, they probably would have arrested the homeowner, and given the burgular a multi-million dollar settlement for mental anguish.

Anybody watch the 1971 movie "Dirty Harry" with Clint Eastwood? Other than the shoot-em-up theme, there is a liberal govt backstory as to how criminials have rights. Harry takes a more conservative approach and settles the score with his .44 Magmum.
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And David to add to your point.Tx is one of the states left with federal judges that are conservative.Crimnals have a real hard time down here.
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In NYC, they probably would have arrested the homeowner, and given the burgular a multi-million dollar settlement for mental anguish.



Apparently you have never been to NYC in the last 20 years.

Last time I checked NY was a death penalty state and illinois and wisconsin werent.
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Clint Eastwood movies are best!

One of my favorites..... Right turn Clyde.

I hate when you hear criminals getting off free and the people they were trying to harm get into legal problems because of it. Anyone see the huge house explosion on the news here in Indy? Leveled 5 houses around it and damaged as many as 30 to beond repair.

Strangly the house that blew up was empty and their pet cat was borded........


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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

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In NYC, they probably would have arrested the homeowner, and given the burgular a multi-million dollar settlement for mental anguish.



Apparently you have never been to NYC in the last 20 years.

Last time I checked NY was a death penalty state and illinois and wisconsin werent.


I just picked the first large, liberal city that came to mind. I think I had my facts mixed up. NYC will toss you in jail for drinking a 32 oz. Big Gulp soda, or if you eat more than three grams of salt in a day.

Let's use San Fransisco instead....a REALLY liberal city!! Besides, thats the city that "Dirty Harry" was set in.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

   Anyone see the huge house explosion on the news here in Indy? Leveled 5 houses around it and damaged as many as 30 to beond repair.

Strangly the house that blew up was empty and their pet cat was borded........




Zach....Being from the Indy area, I followed that story. Wasn't the owner of the house in bankruptcy or something, and didn't he turn the gas on and let it leak into the house all day long before he somehow ignited it?
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Considering you live pretty close to a large liberal city you might consider disparaging that one instead of making assumptions about ones you don't have any real knowledge of.. your soda comment is also wrong as it is not illegal to buy or sell a big gulp in any part of NY, NYC or otherwise..
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It is a pretty good story. One I actually like to hear instead of the wack job that shoots the perp, just because he can.   

Gun control means so much more than hitting your target.   Anyone can hit a target and pull a trigger, but knowing when to pull it, is what really matters.

These freaks in Florida who are shooting the first chance they get are just making the gun control argument. This is not the wild west anymore.


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Yea David. I nver heard if they made an offical determination of cause yet. I mean as big as that was that had to have been an entire house just pressurized with gas to go boom like that.

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Joe, do you think there is any link between strict guns laws and high crime rates, and minimal gun laws and low crime rates. Your state and my state are good examples of both.

Maine is full of guns and we have a very low crime rate. Only about 25 murders per year and most of those are domestic. We are not a stand your ground state. You have to be fearful of your life and have no other alternative, but if someone enters your home, the law is on the homeowner's side.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Considering you live pretty close to a large liberal city you might consider disparaging that one instead of making assumptions about ones you don't have any real knowledge of.. your soda comment is also wrong as it is not illegal to buy or sell a big gulp in any part of NY, NYC or otherwise..


Okay, Chicago it is. You are absolutely right. Way too liberal for my liking. Our property taxes are outrageous, even in the burbs, and the state is one of five or so, along with New York and California that are deep in debt due to promises made to govt workers that are unsustainable. But, we don't have the Big Gulp ban....yet.

So, enlighten me. What is the soda ban in NYC that Mayor Bloomberg implemented? And the salt ban? There is definitely something going on there. He is leading the "nanny state" initiative to make sure his citizens don't hurt themselves since they don't have the common sense not to drink too much soda, or eat too much salt without his divine guidance.   
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Considering you live pretty close to a large liberal city you might consider disparaging that one instead of making assumptions about ones you don't have any real knowledge of.. your soda comment is also wrong as it is not illegal to buy or sell a big gulp in any part of NY, NYC or otherwise..


Not yet. It takes affect on March 12, and its a local NYC health department rule.
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Arrested for possesion of Big Gulps.... haha
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Originally posted by mark c mark c wrote:

Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Considering you live pretty close to a large liberal city you might consider disparaging that one instead of making assumptions about ones you don't have any real knowledge of.. your soda comment is also wrong as it is not illegal to buy or sell a big gulp in any part of NY, NYC or otherwise..


Not yet. It takes affect on March 12, and its a local NYC health department rule.


Mark....do you know if that is the Big Gulp ban or the salt ban, or both?

I can't wait to see the NYC'rs this coming spring. They are going to be looking fine just in time for swim suit weather. Thank you Mayor Bloomberg!
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Dude, you're bogarting my gulp!    

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Originally posted by davidg davidg wrote:

Originally posted by mark c mark c wrote:

Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Considering you live pretty close to a large liberal city you might consider disparaging that one instead of making assumptions about ones you don't have any real knowledge of.. your soda comment is also wrong as it is not illegal to buy or sell a big gulp in any part of NY, NYC or otherwise..


Not yet. It takes affect on March 12, and its a local NYC health department rule.


Mark....do you know if that is the Big Gulp ban or the salt ban, or both?

I can't wait to see the NYC'rs this coming spring. They are going to be looking fine just in time for swim suit weather. Thank you Mayor Bloomberg!


No sugery drinks over 16 oz may be sold in NYC, and any establishment that serves them and has self service machines can not have cups larger than 16 oz on the property. We must be protected from ourselves at all costs, no sence in being responsible for your own well being. NYC is one of the most F'ed up places on earth as far as local laws, ordinances and permiting processes. it's all set up for someones brother inlaw to make a ton of money either expediting permits, ot collecting fees for permits, and yes I have and am dealing with this situation at work.
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Restaurants, movie theaters , and street vendors ate regulated... Big gulps are not... Feel free to buy two cups at the movie theater if you come visit.   I don't disagree that NYC has a lot of permitting issues - but if some one truly feels the need to post on a great website that brings people together who share common interests a bunch of disparaging comments about other people that serve to do nothing but drive people apart they could at least do the due diligence of reading and making sure that the devisive comments they are posting are actually true.   

Or you could just not make comments about people or places you don't know anything about- hint if you got your info about these people or places from rush or fox you don't know anything about them.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Considering you live pretty close to a large liberal city you might consider disparaging that one instead of making assumptions about ones you don't have any real knowledge of.. your soda comment is also wrong as it is not illegal to buy or sell a big gulp in any part of NY, NYC or otherwise..

Joe, If 7-11 wanted to license the big gulp to a restaurant chain or theater chain, could it be sold in New York city? If not than New York City has made it illegal to sell a big gulp in parts of the city. That is not an knowledge-less assumption.
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Now, to help clarify this "healthy" and vigorous discussion, there is a ban on sugary drinks in NYC over 16 ozs. I found an article online that indicates The Big Gulp will be exempt due to the fact it is served in a convenience store. Here is an exerpt from a New York Times article.

"Only establishments that receive inspection grades from the health department, including movie theaters and stadium concession stands, will be subject to the rules. Convenience stores, including 7-Eleven and its king-size Big Gulp drinks, would be exempt, along with vending machines and some newsstands."

So, apparently 7-11 stores will still be able to serve their trademarked Big Gulp(R) at their facilities as convenience stores do not get city inspection grades. However, in my opinion, the tradename "Big Gulp" is being used as a synonym for any large sugary drink, just as Xerox, or Kleenex brand names are used as generic names for any tissue paper, or copier.

So, if I went to a theater in NYC, they would NOT be able to serve Big Gulps, but, if I went across the street to a 7-11, I would be able to enjoy the freedom of indulging in a LARGE, sugary, calorie-ladened, belly busting Big Gulp. However, because I have self-control, and am educated on health issues, I would instead opt for a 12 oz can of Diet Coke. And, yes, I know that the chemicals in Diet Coke are not the greatest. But, at least I have the freedom to choose.


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I guess between not being either insecure or unhappy with my life I dont feel the need to tear down others to make myself feel better. This is probably why I dont need to cling to right wing propaganda which of course has its stock and trade in pandering to those looking to feel smarter and superior to thier fellow americans.

Me I think we are all a lot more similar than we are different.. so I dont get on a thread about a pretty cool story and start insulting random areas of the country.

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I don't really know that I feel gun control has much to do with crime rates.. certainly it is hard to say anything about it as a statewide issue in NY as there are extremely rural areas, 6 million acres of adirondack park, and of course dense cities like NY. For my own opinion I have no problem with a locality like NYC deciding to have relatively tight gun control, there is not a whole lot of hunting need down there and there are so many people around there are not a lot of shots you could take without seriously endangering an innocent bystander. Additionally you are never all that far from authorities that can come to your aid, unlike rural maine or in the upper or lower parts of my county in NY.

When I lived in Virginia it was not unusual for us to wear unconcealed pistols during the day out in rural prince george county, but on the few occasions I saw people doing the same in Richmond.. I was not all that comfortable with it and wearing my own wouldnt have helped out the situation. It wasnt long after I moved there that they did ban wearing guns in bars, restuarants, etc.. but it was after someone got shot at a club I had just left (I was in the pizza place next store at the time).

Different things work different places IMHO.. dont like the law in your city/state and cant get enough people to vote with you and change the law then you can always move.

David next time you might want to rely on the new york times a little more and the right wing noise a little less..
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Joe.....Does anybody ever tell you that you are full of it, and yourself at times?

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Where but Illinois can a State rep who was one of the front runners for a recently vacated House seat,who is an advocate for gun control, be arrested for trying to board a plane at O'Hare with a gun? Not to mention said gun was not registered where he lives in Chicago but at his office in Springfield. "I forgot I had it in there" after he leaves his "job" at a security firm that also is a contributor to him and other Chicago politicians.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

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In NYC, they probably would have arrested the homeowner, and given the burgular a multi-million dollar settlement for mental anguish.



Apparently you have never been to NYC in the last 20 years.

Last time I checked NY was a death penalty state and illinois and wisconsin werent.


I just picked the first large, liberal city that came to mind. I think I had my facts mixed up. NYC will toss you in jail for drinking a 32 oz. Big Gulp soda, or if you eat more than three grams of salt in a day.

Let's use San Fransisco instead....a REALLY liberal city!! Besides, thats the city that "Dirty Harry" was set in.


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It doesn't seem to me that there is any evidence that gun control has an affect on crime rates. Supposedly DC had to allow possesion of guns due to a Supreme Court ruling. It would be interesting to see what if any affect that has had on crime in that city.

Funny how a librel leaning state like CA voted to uphold the death penalty. I can see it being a deterent if they were carried out swiftly like in Saudi Arabia, but given the time it takes here, it doesn't seem like it is much of a threat to the criminals. They aren't thinking 20 years off.

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Study after study show violent crime decreases with gun ownership. As the left says, If it can just save one life it is worth it.
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Originally posted by phatsat67 phatsat67 wrote:

Clint Eastwood movies are best!

One of my favorites..... Right turn Clyde.

I hate when you hear criminals getting off free and the people they were trying to harm get into legal problems because of it.




I agree with you completly.My favorite western movies where from either Eastwood,and John Wayne.3rd would be Charles Bronson.

My favorite Eastwood quote is"I know what you are thinking,did he shoot 5 or 6.Well in all this excitment and cant remeber myself.But you have to ask yourself one question.Do I feel lucky.Will do ya PUNK!!

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It doesn't seem to me that there is any evidence that gun control has an affect on crime rates. Supposedly DC had to allow possesion of guns due to a Supreme Court ruling. It would be interesting to see what if any affect that has had on crime in that city.

Funny how a librel leaning state like CA voted to uphold the death penalty. I can see it being a deterent if they were carried out swiftly like in Saudi Arabia, but given the time it takes here, it doesn't seem like it is much of a threat to the criminals. They aren't thinking 20 years off.



I agree. Further, at least in CA, studies show we would be money ahead to assign life without parole and be done with the it. The legal appeals, their cost, and the time it takes, means that over the sentence it costs us far more for a prisoner sentenced to death than it does for a prisoner sentenced to life with no parole. The economics were the reason the recall was on the ballot.

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