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    Posted: February-21-2013 at 8:05pm
Are there any memebers that own/work on/manage diesel trucks?

I am trying to see if anyone else has had reliability problems with their trucks due to these emission controls systems like me?

I have 33K GVW trucks with 285 Cummins motors and not a month - heck a week - goes by where we do not have a breakdown stemming from an EGR Cooler, EGR Valve, regeneration failure, DPF Filter, or VGT.

It's to the point is almost criminal. I can't be the only one.




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Diesel engines were not meant to have soot recirculated through the intake system. Thank you epa.

The ones we saw problems at the dealers with were trucks that were used for commuter vehicles not trucks that were on the road actually doing what they were designed for. This isn't the case with your trucks. I'm sure you work them!
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This has been a major problem begining in 2003 when they started with emission controls in diesels.I hate to be the one to tell you this but if you have one of the "problem" engines you are pretty much screwed unless someone fixes by mistake.I can tell horror stories all day about egr related issues and the truth is nobody knows how to fix them.You can have two identical trucks built on the same day one will run with no problems at all other one will live in shop just throwing same parts at it over and over.Friend of mine had 07 Volvo with Cummins it put him out of business.Regen's are the same one works perfect one needs 10k in repairs in first year again nobody can tell you why.Make sure you are running the correct fuel filter sometime fuel flow can be restricted enough to keep EGT just under what is required to trigger regen but not to feel in performance.Tell that to a tech and he will give you that look over his glasses like you have no clue but truth be told he has no clue either.The technology is more than the Techs can keep up with.If you have to buy a newer truck make sure you get an ECM readout or run vin thru Rig Dig to assure that good deal is not a truck that put some owner in the poor house.I will stick with my pre emission Detroit and stay out of California.
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It is mind boggling when you look at all the problems and down time we have had with these regen systems. We have had issues from day one. The DPF and ERG only last about 30,000 miles.

For one truck we had in the shop from 12/15-1/18 from parts being on "national backorder", spent $12,500 for a new DPF filter, Cat & ERG the thing is dead in the lot yet again because it wont regen. I give up. This first year we had this truck it was in the shop 16 weeks.   

I have heard a few owners talk about stripping this stuff off the motors and having no problems. It that really possible?

I know is against fed/state law but diesel smoke checks are far and few between for local trucks.
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Hollow out all the stuff and buy egr delete kits ;). I don't know anything about those ;).
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I don't know about the quality of those parts over there, but it is well known that Belgium is THE diesel country...
90% of all cars, trucks are diesels over here...

It annoys me that all these disaster theories about EGR, DPF are spewed all over every car forum over here. Sure there are the ones that have problems with these engine parts.

The first problem is when one does short distances... Bad, bad, bad for diesels with EGR and DPF...

My BMW is now eight years old and has 279.000 km (173.360 miles) on the clock. Pulling the boat, racing on the Nürburgring, running at 240 KPH (150 MPH) on the German "autobahn" and so on...
Still the original DPF and EGR... Not one problem whatsoever...

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Originally posted by Kristof Kristof wrote:


The first problem is when one does short distances... Bad, bad, bad for diesels with EGR and DPF...


Bad for any diesel Kristof. Back in the 80's I drove my VW 14 miles a day.The engine made it to a little over a 100k but that was ok the body didn't last either. I would rather live closer to work than have to own a diesel. The best time driving to work was when I had my 5.0 Mustang,that car used alot more fuel than the VW but when I sold it after 7 years I got 4000 less than what I paid for it. The VW went straight to the junk yard
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I would love to have my Cummins trucks back again but with my current set up a gas truck that delivers modern fuel economy is more in line. I think about the effects a 5 mile winter commute and cold start every day would have on a medium/heavy duty diesel engine.

I hate that all the "redneck" crowd (no offense) is into diesel trucks. They use them as daily commuters and turn up the power to levels you don't need in a street truck(although its fun!!). I see serious issues for the 2000- current low mileage diesel trucks in the future. I guess with a daily driver stand point(ie operating the engine not as it was intended) they will have about half the useful life they are supposed to.

Our 12 valve had over 400k on it when we sold it and it used maybe 1qt of oil per 4k miles. Mostly because the pan gasket was leaky. It was NOT my daily driver. It came out for big loads and extended higway trips. I have no doubt that truck would have continued to run well past the 600k mark. It was wound up pretty hot and had been since day one. Probably in the 350-400 hp range and 600-700 Ft lb range. Probably the best truck I've ever owned.
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We've had a lot of trouble with a Peterbilt 2,000 gallon tank truck, it would go into regen often, then go into limp mode, we finally had a ton of work done on warranty, then a bunch more that we had to pay for. It seems to be OK now.
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Second problem is: with these modern fast diesels loedad with torque, eveyone thinks they are driving a sports car... Not taking the time to gragually let their engines warm up...
Lots of cars here (in the more high end section) are also chipped and remapped to increase their horsepower and torque.

Lots of people over here forget that in the end, it's still a diesel

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We had the same issues...tons of warranty work then once the warranty runs out its on our nickel and time. The dealer points to Daimler...Daimler points to Cummins, Cummins points to parts problems, shotty work or that we are doing something wrong. After throwing parts at the trucks we get a few good months then whole process repeats.


The time frame from 2007-2009 produced trucks with a lot of DPF problems. Since there are few lemon laws for commercial vehicles, owners are left in the wind. The newer trucks with the next gen set ups on them seem to work fairly well.







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