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    Posted: February-25-2013 at 2:56pm


I have this motor for sale when I pulled the dip stick the oil was full of water it looks to be the motor went under water sitting on the trailer I don't think the motor is busted. The manifolds are good all parts except the carb. $400.00 for the motor and trans.
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Photo is pretty dark. Obviously a Ford, probably 351? Any "eyebrow" shaped cracks in the head(s) close to the spark plugs? Is it reverse rotation? The model number will tell you, whether it is a PRD or a PLD.
Did you drain the water out?
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I bought a Southwind 20 for this motor and the trailer when the person brought me the boat is when I pulled the dip stick and saw it was full of water. I then drained the water out of the block just in case the block was not busted.I look good around the spark plugs to see if there were any cracks did not see any just short of pulling the manifold see if there were any signs of cracks. The motor is a reverse rotation for sure with a coil pack. Here in Alabama the winters have not been cold the last couple of years. I stripped the boat out when I got to the fuel tank there was a water line about a 1/4 of the way up this is why I think the motor went under and got water.

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Here are some pictures
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Thanks, Mike. Someone that I know might be interested in it. I'll tell him about it and see if he is interested enough to check into it any further. Do you know approximately what year it is?
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I don't I have very little information on this motor. I don't think it is the original motor if look on the bell housing it has a PCM bell housing and it is not a commander motor. The manifolds are fairly new

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Is there water in the gear?
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I am asumming you are talking about the trans if so no.

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I bet if you pulled the spark plugs out and were able to spin the engine with a wrench on the crankshaft, you'd have someone on their way to pick it up the next day. If it's seized from rust, that's a different story.
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Thanks I will try that
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still available????
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Yes still have it
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were you ever able to get the motor to turn? i may be in the market for one.
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Bryce, be sure to verify rotation too. If its an older 351, its a RH rotation and we established yours is (was?) a lefty. Not insurmountable, but a fuss to change your boat's set up. (new prop, re-index tranny)
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it is a right hand rotation or reverse rotation. I went out to try to turn it but I have to get a bigger socket wench.


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ah crap
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What year and model is your boat?
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i have an '83 ski supreme. no worries right now, got the motor to rotate last night so it is not locked up (thank god). you wouldnt happen to have the carb off that thing though would you. mines in pretty bad shape and am looking around for something fairly inexpensive.
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Is motor still available? Is the motor able to turn freely?
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The motor is sold thanks
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I have been told that a late model 302 with gt40 heads from a ford suv fuel injected have the same computer and internal as a marine motor. Is this information correct. I am restoring a 74 nautique that had a 318 Chrysler motor and I would like to put the ford motor in its place once stringers are completed. I have a 78 reverse rotation 351 boat that is in use but the 74 has new gel and decals and was the year I was born. The fuel injection would be preferred if what I was told was correct. Also, does anyone know if the Chrysler 318 had a reverse application or not? Surprisingly, the 318 was a roller motor in 74 which seems to be well before its time. I would love to hear that I could utilize the original transmission with the new gt40 fuel injected 302. Changing props and transmission indication would be the least of my worries. Any information on this request would be greatly apprec
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bcollins,

   I don't think you'll get much of a response in this forum section, especially since you added onto a post where the item for sale has been sold.   If you post your question in the general section, I think you will get more response.   

- on your question, your 74 ski nautique will have a reverse rotation engine, it will not be the same as a mid 90's ford SUV, or a ford vehicle of any type.   The automotive engines are standard rotation.    That is not to say that you couldn't put a 302 into your 74, it has been done, but the results are mixed, and there is more to it than just dropping in a new engine.
- You may be able to reverse the rotation of your transmission (if you have a velvet drive 1:1), but it requires some disassembly and a new propeller, since it will spin the other direction

- the EFI engines use the same ECU as the vehicles, but are not tuned the same from what I understand. Not my area of expertise, but a search of this site will probably turn up some sort of discussion on the issue. I've read it on here before.

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Guys, I haven't read this post thoroughly, but I sense that we are getting caught up in the much-misunderstood right-hand-left-hand terminology again. If the Chrysler was original in the '74, would have been a right-hand engine, otherwise known as reverse rotation. I'm just a bit suspicious of this engine, because to my knowledge we didn't set any Chryslers in '74, although they were available. Could the engine have been changed out by a previous owner?

Another problem with the terminlogy is the Chrysler bucked the marine industry practice of viewing engine rotation from the flywheel end. They viewed it from the belt end, and it caused a lot of misunderstanding.

If a '74 SN is run with a left-hand engine, (automotive rotation) it will run very much drivers-side low, especially with a driver only in the boat. You might not be happy with it.

Re-indexing the transmission is no big deal. However, you should put a new front seal in it while you are there.

On the Ford, the whole truth about which way it turns is to turn it and watch the rotor in the distributor, Whether the engine is left or right, the rotor should turn counterclockwise looking downward at it.

Bottom line: If the boat were mine, I would NOT put a LH engine in it.     

LH engines: Flywheel turns counterclockwise looking at it from the transmission side.
RH engines: Clockwise.

If you want, I can look up the boat and see what engine was in it new. Just send me the Hull ID Number.    

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