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    Posted: April-02-2014 at 11:59pm


I put this small ball valve on the bottom if my Fuel/Water separator this winter. It just fits when mounted. Hoping its going to work well. Any thoughts? Good/bad? Tony.
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Use permitex#1 or 2 for thread sealer. Get a cap nut for the drain and install it.
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Always been puzzled by this type of post...do you have some problem with water in your fuel, and why??
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I have not had issues. I have a separator so I guess why not drain it once in a while. The plug on the bottom was a dumb I thought. Draining it was going to be inconveiniant. I put on the valve to make it better.
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I put one of these wing nut types in my '85
http://www.mcmaster.com/#drain-handle-stop-cocks/=rdhd7a
I figured the same as bones doesn't hurt to drain it once in awhile
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I would be real careful guy's,I had the wing nut style block drain open on it's own on the St John. Did not know until water was on the rear floorboard. Granted I most likely didn't have it real tight after winterizing but had it been gas----   Maybe it should be safety wired?
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Originally posted by 74Wind 74Wind wrote:

Always been puzzled by this type of post...do you have some problem with water in your fuel, and why??


Completely agree with Jeff on this one.
If you're getting water in the fuel, you have a couple of potential issues.
1) It's crap fuel (which can happen, but really a lot more rare than one thinks). Get it someplace else or
2) Go skiing and use it up before it seperates and gets water in it
3) Start using Stabil.

This isn't rocket science. I change my fuel filter/water seperater every year and have never had water in it. That's over 20+ years and I don't hesitate to use ethanol fuels, as long as it has the octane that I need.
In the words of Pete, stuff like this is a band-aid to a bigger problem.

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Gary good tip while I can’t say it will never leak it hasn’t yet and has been in for quite a few years now.
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First off it never hurts to sump a fuel system. We sump the tanks in our helicopters every day and I don’t think we’re pumping crap Jet A.
Second I don’t live on a lake so we trailer to where ever we’re skiing. We go to several different lakes along with the local three rivers. I try to get gas at reputable land gas stations but not always an option. That leaves me at the mercy of the marinas on the river and lake’s that I have no idea how much fuel they sell or how long it’s been in their tank or the quality. To add to that it may sit in my tank for a month until I use that boat again. I have had a filter’s glue (Wix) disintegrate inside the housing and found it by sumping the filter housing. Would it have made it to the carb? Or plug the filter and ruin my day on the water? Who knows but sumping the housing found the problem before it became a problem.
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Ok. That all makes good sense. I guess my thought was if it had a drain why not use it? i would rather just keep it plugged and forget about it. Last summer it started dripping from the bottom plug. I have had no issue with water in my fuel. I was thinking its a separator why not give it a proper drain to separate? i think i'll just put the plug back in it. Thanks to all for your thoughts. Tony.
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Paul/Tony,
Your points make some sense. I have to rely on the older spin-on filter for my application which has been trouble free for decades. I have to admit that the canister type filter is a pain in the ass to try and remove/replace.

I'm also of the mindset that if it aint broke don't fix it. So you can sump the fuel by this drain and at what point is it enough?
Why not put drains in the fuel tank, the fuel pump and the bowls in the carb then?
Or how about the oil filter? Maybe that needs a drain then.

See where I'm going with this?

I certainly understand your disintegrating filter experience. However, I'm of the "Stuff happens" fraternity in a fairly rare, one-time situation like that.
Can it happen...yes.
Did it happen....yes.
Does it mean that it will happen again...who knows but chances are probably more likely that you'll get struck by lightening several times and win the lottery before this happens again.

I was also in the service and fully understand having a backup to the backup. But nothing is 100% failsafe.
The system that is in place has been flawless and trouble free for a long time. I have a hard time adding another potential point of failure to it. Remember the acronym K.I.S.S.




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Well, pg. 26 of the owners manual says to regularly check fuel filter for signs of water, & draining the bowl some is how I do that. I just do it as part of winterizing & have gotten some water out at times.

I accomplished the same goal by altering the mounting bracket so it is easier to pull the whole filter assembly out.

Good idea on the valve Tony, but I agree that it should be safety wired shut.

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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:


I accomplished the same goal by altering the mounting bracket so it is easier to pull the whole filter assembly out.


Would you by any chance have a picture? I have the large canister type and been going back and forth to switch the whole assembly out with a spin on fuel/water separator filter type. It's just a PITA to change mine each season, but worth it
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Bracket Mod



I cut it in 2, welded an extension onto one side (so it would overlap), then drilled holes for the 2 screws. Paint to match.

I can now get to the drain plug without having to pull the hoses off.
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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

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I cut it in 2, welded an extension onto one side (so it would overlap), then drilled holes for the 2 screws. Paint to match.

I can now get to the drain plug without having to pull the hoses off.


I should of done my homework and searched the site, of course it would of been on here

This is very helpful and diffidently add to my list to do's

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Originally posted by SNobsessed SNobsessed wrote:

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I cut it in 2, welded an extension onto one side (so it would overlap), then drilled holes for the 2 screws. Paint to match.

I can now get to the drain plug without having to pull the hoses off.


Isn't there enough room to get the canister out after taking out the top 4 mounting bolts?
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Not without taking off the hose, at least in my experience.   Also, I have a welder & had to use it for something!

It took me a while to find that old thread.

Sorry for the thread-jack Tony. The high end water separators have a petcock like you added.

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Same here, I can not even take the hoses off (been on there for 30yrs) and have to maneuver the assembly around to get the canister out. Thanks for the tip. I may even have my welder make me up a completely new extended bracket.   
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Yeah quit stealing my only post Chris! No problem. It feels pretty good really. I didn't even get bashed once for anything. Z Tony.
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