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My favorite boat on forum of course. Beautiful
Please post pics and info on that ‘all’ original specimen you found
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Phil,
I had been thinking about the 65 project and was going to ask you how things were going. Looking great. keep the progress going.


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Making a little progress on getting the 65 back together. I'm using the original oil/trans cooler and remote oil filter. Hooked up the cooler to pump and filled with water to check for leaks before hooking up the new cooling lines.

Here's a pic of the oil lines exiting the block, routing to the filter (outside of element), then inside port of filter routes to the front section of the cooler, then back to the block.

Adapter plate also shown to illustrate that the "lower" fitting is the output of the oil pump.

Next, I'll connect the transmission lines. Getting to the oil/trans cooler fittings would be tough if the exhaust manifold was in place!



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fanofccfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November-27-2018 at 6:26pm
Nice work and nice Boat. Now I am starting to wonder if my Marauder is safely equipped!
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The boats I’ve dissected would suggest that transition from copper tubing and shut off valves to anti siphons on CC’s was ‘68-69. I haven’t encountered any of the former on my 70+ boats. I’m fairly certain they were absent on the 69 and some of the 68’s as well.
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Phil,
Just as Bruce mentioned, I believe it was the early 70's when anti siphons became standard.

The early boating industry became very aware of problems with gas in the bilge combined with an ignition source. Before the advent of the engine with a fuel pump, gravity feeds to carbs were used which meant that the tank pick ups were on the bottom of the tank. If you developed any leak, everything in the tank ended up in the bilge! My 1915 launch with the 1927 engine is that way.


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Copper tubes with a valves seem to have been used throughout the 60's and into the 70's. Not sure when exactly when anti syphon valves became required. We've replaced the copper tubing and valves with 3/8" fuel line and anti syphon valves in all the old boats we've done. Our Cuda has the barbed fitting with the ball valve as we were having starving for fuel issues and I wanted eliminate the anti syphon valve. I probably should have just put an ordinary barbed fitting in as we've never used the valve. Probably no one else but me knows it's even there.
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I really appreciate the discussion!

Pete, I just checked the original tank and you are right, there is no anti siphon valve connected to the gas tank pick-up tube.   

Do you know when the factory started installing these?    
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Phil,
Since Bruce mentioned the anti siphon, unless someone added one at the tank, I doubt you will find one. Certainly a great idea to add if it's not there.


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Perko make a barbed fitting with a ball valve that you can install in place of an anti syphon valve. We've used one on one of our boats that I thought the anti syphon valve was causing a problem.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

In 65, I wonder if CC was still using copper line from the tank to the engine? If so, they would have used a valve with one end for a flare . Then from the valve to the pump would have been a flex hose assembly.


This is exactly the way Dad's is set up. The valve is right next to the stringer across from the oil filter.
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It did have a copper line originally. Looks like I have a couple of options to consider.
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Originally posted by 70CC 70CC wrote:

Any thoughts on adding a shut-off valve between the gas tank and fuel filter? All of that was missing on my boat, plus I want to improve the safety wherever possible.

In 65, I wonder if CC was still using copper line from the tank to the engine? If so, they would have used a valve with one end for a flare . Then from the valve to the pump would have been a flex hose assembly.


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Originally posted by 70CC 70CC wrote:

I'll take Pete's comments as nothing but constructive. .

Phil,
Thanks for understanding my intent.


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Originally posted by 70CC 70CC wrote:

Any thoughts on adding a shut-off valve between the gas tank and fuel filter? All of that was missing on my boat, plus I want to improve the safety wherever possible.


I installed an electric solenoid operated valve just after my anti-siphon valve that is key operated. Kills all fuel flow with key off.   Felt it was a safety feature that I wanted.
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I'll take Pete's comments as nothing but constructive.

If I have any parts with the original paint on them, I'll bring them to the next GL reunion!

Chris, I had a similar idea on a removable bulkhead reinforcement, but I might incorporate that into an aluminum plate that I can mount a fuel filter to.

Any thoughts on adding a shut-off valve between the gas tank and fuel filter? All of that was missing on my boat, plus I want to improve the safety wherever possible.
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

Pete Pete Pete.instead of being a wet blanket what should he have done ? .


Gary I feel he should get the color absolutely perfect for the judges and then spend about $200 more to have some cast iron shims made up. Gosh I hope they have the correct molecular structure for the shims. Aluminum shims would mean the difference between first place and not even on the podium..

Really it looks fantastic. Keep up the great work that you are doing. Nothing to not be proud of .   Please keep the pics coming. It sure is fun to see someone else's project coming along. Most here have spent the blood, sweat, tears and $$ to get our projects done. We appreciate the work you are doing. Remember that you are the only one that you need to satisfy. Job well done. Duane
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Ah hell, minus 656 points because the color is two shades off. Looks good from my view!
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Originally posted by Gary S Gary S wrote:

It only really matters if your a trophy chaser anyway......

Phil's boat IS VERY worthy of a trophy. I would take it to any judged ACBS show and that includes the northeast shows where some feel all ACBS members are snobs!

You've spent plenty of time documenting the correct Ford blues so what's the problem with getting the old Interceptor color correct. Reid did and maybe he still has the half quart left over for someone who is looking for the proper color. Now the real problem is let's say someone is looking for the color and stumbles across someone saying Alpine Green is it, uses the color and then finds out it isn't the proper color.

Phil, again, the project is look'n great and certainly worthy of showing.


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Pete Pete Pete.instead of being a wet blanket what should he have done ? Spent 200 on getting a quart matched and then end up throwing half of it away?? It only really matters if your a trophy chaser anyway......
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Originally posted by 70CC 70CC wrote:

Duplicolor Engine Enamel Detroit Diesel Alpine Green, It's a perfect match to the original Interceptor color.

Phil,
I don't mean to pick on your choice of color but the Alpine Green is close but not the same. I used it on my Universal Flexifour and comparing it to my Y block, it's a touch too green. Reid got it dead on but if I remember correctly he had the color matched. Internet color rendering can be off but here's a picture.

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Also, remember engine/shaft/strut alignment starts at the strut. Get the strut mounted so the shaft is close to center in the log and then move forward. Nice idea on the aluminum wedges. Lots of the older engines used cast iron wedges but they are becoming very difficult to find.


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Looks awesome, keep up the good work Phil!
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An iconic boat for sure!

I'd notch that bulkhead for WP service clearance & make a doubler plate to reinforce it. Resin coat all the screw holes & it won't be a problem in your lifetime.
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Duplicolor Engine Enamel Detroit Diesel Alpine Green, It's a perfect match to the original Interceptor color.

Pete - Your video on shaft alignment has been really helpful. My engine builder made some aluminum shims to replace the original wooden ones.at the front motor mounts.. Alignment is pretty close, Next step is to re-mount the strut with 4200 and do my final adjustments.

I'll have to do some modification at the bulkhead just ahead of the motor as there is not enough clearance to R&R the water pump without raising the motor off the stringers.
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Looking great!. Nice color on the engine. How did you match and what kind of paint did you use?
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All right Phil. Look'n great.


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I'll second that!
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