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    Posted: May-29-2015 at 12:10pm
I have a 1994 hydrodyne with a pcm 351. so i run it at full throttle, it tops out at about 40 ish. then i come back down to idle for a little. when i start giving it gas again it sputters out, at about 20 and cant get going faster than that. after cruising around for about 15-20 min it seems fine again and runs like normal. It seems like it might be starving for something or loosing a cylinder. its not a big deal, i just wont go full thottle anymore. skier speed seems to be just fine, and the lake is so small it take about 5 seconds to get across the lake at full thottle anyway. just want to know what is causing it. thanks
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote phatsat67 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May-29-2015 at 12:18pm
Is it points or electronic ignition?

My finger would point towards the coil or the ignition pickup (if it is electronic) getting hot from the higher spark rate then cooling back down after it runs lower rpms for a while.
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it was originally electronic fuel injection, but was converted to carb by the previous owner. maybe that could have something to do with it?
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so to answer your question, im not really sure. there is a distributor, so i guess points. but the spark plugs don't plug into the distributor, there is a wire harness that attaches to the distributor that runs to some kind of coil maybe? and then the spark plugs attach to that.
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Pictures would be valuable here.
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so this weekend we took the boat out. after wakeboarding for a few hours we brought the boat back to the dock to empty the fat sacs for skiing. took about 30 min or so. after about an hour we got back in the boat for some slalom. after 15 more min i pulled my friend out of the water just fine and was getting up to speed, at about 25 mph it would just misfire and wouldn't let me go any faster. this happened every time we tried to accelerate past 25. it will hold at 25 and run perfectly normally, but anything past 25 it misses badly, i am new to slalom and it was my first time out for the season, so i just wanted to practice getting up, after a few attempts i got up and the boat ran perfect i got a few passes in at 36 mph, we swapped skiers and we got a few more passes in, and once again out of no where it started missing and we went back down to 25. ill try to get some pics today. but it seems to be getting worse.

any suggestions?

electrical?

Fuel?

Spark plugs?
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Is this still the same problem that started the thread or did that resolve and this is now a different issue? Pics would definitely help.

Have you checked timing? are the advance weights moving or are they stuck?
After that, check the pipeline of spark from coil to plugs. Though it might be redundant to check spark from coil, pretty simple to rule it out.

Originally posted by camron18 camron18 wrote:

it was originally electronic fuel injection, but was converted to carb by the previous owner. maybe that could have something to do with it?

how does the fuel look when squirting into the carb? was the carb brand new, rebuilt, crusty junk pulled off the shelf?



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same issue that started this thread. it seems to be happening more often now and i would really like to fix it.

carb was brand new as far as i know. ill check how fuel looks, i think im just going to go ahead and change out spark plugs

what do you mean by check the pipeline of spark fom coil to plugs?


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pictures.

now.
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lol HW.

pipeline: I just mean, test the spark coming from the coil, then test the spark from each plug wire, then test the plugs themselves. The spark should be the same along each path. For instance, when I was testing my ignition, we did each wire, then the plug on the wire and when I got to #5 wire it was similar, but the plug had a different spark. replaced all the plugs and was back on track.
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here are the pics! LOL every one loves pictures.

it doesn't seem like there is any advance mechanism under the disturber cap. so posiably whatever advances is going bad?



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Yeah that's a protec setup, its going bad and very likely the cause of your issue.   A new ignition system will probably be your best bet. Do a site search on protec ignition failure or replacement to learn more.
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ill have to gracefully bow out here. I have no clue with that setup. but im sure someone else does. I'm intrigued though. Is that like a coil for every two plugs?
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Yes. That goes in the garbage and a distributor gets installed.
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Yeah it looks like that is exactly what it is after researching pro-tech ignition!!

Thanks a lot guys! i guess ill have to toss it.

any suggestions on what distributor? id really like to not spend too much.
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Originally posted by camron18 camron18 wrote:

id really like to not spend too much.


well duh, not too many people do like to over spend but there are good better best options
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Ebasic power shows a couple options in RH for distributors from 190-360 - you will also need a matching coil and maybe a ballast resistor depending on your choice. Don't throw away the gear on the bottom of that distributor type thingy yet until you find out if the RH options are actually available.
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I have no reason to believe his 94 Hydrodyne is not a LH engine.

Post up the engine model number. Starts with a P. There should be a black and white metal tag bolted on the top of the engine.
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Definitely too many epoxy fumes over this way... there probably isn't such a thing as a RH protec in any boat
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what i ment was the good option is probably all i need.

any reason why a used one on ebay would be a bad idea?
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you're also going to need new wires as well. I'd say spend the money and get a whole new set-up (wires, dizzy, and coil). Don't waste time with used stuff from eBay.

It should cost less than $500 if you install it yourself.

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We also get a discount for being a CCFan member. Should help with the cost.



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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Definitely too many epoxy fumes over this way... there probably isn't such a thing as a RH protec in any boat

Randy in ohio could probably tell us... Pretty sure he has a RH 1:1 proboss/protec in his '93 Sport.
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Did Mullin's RH scrappy come with ProTec? I know he changed distributors after ownership.

I'm guessing the 240hp RH engines got distributors
[QUOTE=SneakyPete">I have a 93 Ski Nautique Standard with a RH 351 and the 1:1 tranny. It does not have a protec.
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Randy has a distributor.
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Nope, mine came with a two wire Prestolite Electronic distributor.
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happened found a guy parting out a 1993 pcm in my area on craigslist!! the whole shebang for $100! that should work right?
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Probably not. It'll either have the same problematic ignition system or one with a gear meant for an engine with the opposite rotation as yours. Most likely the former, in which case I wouldn't pay $5 for it.
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It is not the protec system, and it is left handed, same as mine. Normal distributor with coil and ballast resistor plug wires and wiring harness
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Also sounds like water in the gas. would rule that out as well.   
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Originally posted by shierh shierh wrote:

Also sounds like water in the gas. would rule that out as well.   



It's worth looking into, but since it sounds like it runs normally at idle and there's no indication of white smoke, I'd say the likely culprits would be ignition, fuel or fuel\air mixture.

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