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Scott, if you're coming to Atl or somewheres close too before the 13th I can get the windshield from you and hand deliver it to Alan at the River Ruckus. Better yet......Get it to LaGrange and Jackie can bring it with him as he's headed there too.
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Those brackets in your picture look more like the brackets for my dual-pane glass windshield. The set I have are shorter than those. I can't seem to find a picture of them. I'll have to dig them out at home and get one.
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I can post a picture of what the brackets look like. I have a 64 ski Nautique with the one piece plexi windshield.
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

I'm confused which windshield and brackets are in question... Single pane plexi or dual pane glass? I thought you were searching for the latter, Alan?


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I'm confused which windshield and brackets are in question... Single pane plexi or dual pane glass? I thought you were searching for the latter, Alan?
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Originally posted by ScottZ ScottZ wrote:

I have located the windshield. It does not have the brackets or the gasket. I will be happy to donate it to the cause. In the meantime I will look around to see if I can locate some brackets.


thanks Scott, I knew you'd come through. No big hurry to get it here so I'll be in touch to see if maybe we can get it to a reunion in the near future so I can pick it up. Probably a bit of a pain to box up and ship.
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Does anyone have a picture of the brackets you're looking for. I have a pair that don't match the split windshield, but I think might be for the single piece.


Craig this is the best photo I have right now, the brackets in the photo are broken so I do need a pair if yours match I'll take em.

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Does anyone have a picture of the brackets you're looking for. I have a pair that don't match the split windshield, but I think might be for the single piece.
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I have located the windshield. It does not have the brackets or the gasket. I will be happy to donate it to the cause. In the meantime I will look around to see if I can locate some brackets.
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I'll stand aside and wait to see what develops. I still need to go look at the 2 engines that I know of in FL.
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Originally posted by ArtCozier ArtCozier wrote:

Originally posted by roberto1612 roberto1612 wrote:

I have a Interceptor Y block engine and marine trans which came from a small Trojan. I can check the year and size if you are interested in it. My guess is that its a 1960-62 292 cube and it is a Velvet Drive trans (probably 1:1). I do not have the marine manifolds at this time. I do have most every thing else though and it is very clean inside. but will need rebuild.


Alan, I think that you already have an engine lined up. If that is not so, or if you have any interest in this 292, you certainly have first option at it. If, however, you are not interested, and IF it is a reverse rotation, i.e. a RIGHT HAND ROTATATION engine, I would be interested.

Roberto, you might send me a PM if you want with any details that you might have.

Thanks, guys!


Art, let's see what it is and where it is and go from there. One of us can use it, I'm not going to use the block I just picked up, that was for Interceptor parts only so I'm still searching. Going the 292 route is certainly an option right now.

Roberto, I sent you a PM so we can get the details. Thank you
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Originally posted by roberto1612 roberto1612 wrote:

I have a Interceptor Y block engine and marine trans which came from a small Trojan. I can check the year and size if you are interested in it. My guess is that its a 1960-62 292 cube and it is a Velvet Drive trans (probably 1:1). I do not have the marine manifolds at this time. I do have most every thing else though and it is very clean inside. but will need rebuild.


Alan, I think that you already have an engine lined up. If that is not so, or if you have any interest in this 292, you certainly have first option at it. If, however, you are not interested, and IF it is a reverse rotation, i.e. a RIGHT HAND ROTATATION engine, I would be interested.

Roberto, you might send me a PM if you want with any details that you might have.

Thanks, guys!
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Originally posted by roberto1612 roberto1612 wrote:

will need rebuild.
I don't know that Alan has the ability or the drive to rebuild anything that's not already perfect. case in point, his 200. if it's not cherry, it probably won't work.
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I have a Interceptor Y block engine and marine trans which came from a small Trojan. I can check the year and size if you are interested in it. My guess is that its a 1960-62 292 cube and it is a Velvet Drive trans (probably 1:1). I do not have the marine manifolds at this time. I do have most every thing else though and it is very clean inside. but will need rebuild.
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Originally posted by ArtCozier ArtCozier wrote:

My mind automatically blocks out anything with the engine turned around backwards in the boat. The only time a flywheel should be toward the front of the boat was in the old days when they had to turn them around to make RH engines.

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My mind does the same!!

BTW, engines weren't turned around backwards to create RR engines. They were turned around to get them lower in the bilge since they had such large flywheels. The RR was just a by product of turning them around! Now Higgins put true RR rotation engines in their small craft. Flywheel forward, a port helm and swinging a LH prop!


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My mind automatically blocks out anything with the engine turned around backwards in the boat. The only time a flywheel should be toward the front of the boat was in the old days when they had to turn them around to make RH engines.
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Originally posted by ArtCozier ArtCozier wrote:

Hey Alan.....Despite the LH engine, your SPN turns a RH prop due to the reversal in the 1.2 to 1 transmission. If the Hurricane has a 1 to 1 on a RH engine, they should feel the same. It's the prop rotation, not the engine rotation, that imparts the torque to the hull.


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Ps. the Hurricane spins a right hander but my 2012 200 Sport spins a lefty and as long as I remember what boat I'm driving docking either boat is not a problem.   They are certainly different approaches but neither is difficult.

I had a '74 Triumph Bonneville, with right foot shift and left foot rear brake. While still owning it, I bought an '81 Honda 900 Super Sport, with the now standard left foot shift, right foot brake. Talk about confusing, and an accident waiting to happen owning both at the same time. I'd get on one, particularly the Triumph, and go up and down the local side street a couple of times to condition my memory.
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Oh,wait!!!!! It's a V-Drive SPN, isn't it??? I was thinking direct drive. Mea Culpa!
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Hey Alan.....Despite the LH engine, your SPN turns a RH prop due to the reversal in the 1.2 to 1 transmission. If the Hurricane has a 1 to 1 on a RH engine, they should feel the same. It's the prop rotation, not the engine rotation, that imparts the torque to the hull.
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Originally posted by 81nautique 81nautique wrote:


Ps. as long as I remember what boat I'm driving docking either boat is not a problem.    


Sometimes there is a momentary delay during remembering part.

I don't know about you, but we will be going to White Lake if you need anything from you northeast.
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I think somewhere down the line someone got crossed up but I have always planned to put a standard rotation (left hand prop) motor in the boat.

The motor I just picked up is a right hander, I mentioned indexing the pump on the velvet drive that came with it so I could put it on a lefty, maybe that's where it got confusing.

Ps. the Hurricane spins a right hander but my 2012 200 Sport spins a lefty and as long as I remember what boat I'm driving docking either boat is not a problem.   They are certainly different approaches but neither is difficult.
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Alan, I was kind of wondering the same thing that Eether mentioned. The only downside of a RH engine in a port-side drive boat is that the counter-torque will tend to add to the driver's weight on the port side of the boat and cause it to run more left-side down when you have the driver only in the boat. You might also find that it will be a bit more difficult to dock with the pier on the port side, but no worse than most other brands of ski boats with the standard rotation props and starboard-side drivers' station.

With the newer boats, it is more of a problem having a LH engine in the starboard-side drive boats, because the bottoms and rudders are asymmetrical to compensate for the torque. The early boats are in fact asymmetrical, but purely by happenstance. Call me if you wish to discuss.
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Ethan,
Alan is lucky since the SN #1 was built with a port helm.


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John Mummert and Ted Eaton of Eaton balancing are both great resources. Sorry if I missed it, but would you be putting a rr engine in the boat given the left hand helm?

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Alan,
I remember when Billy was working on those Y blocks of his, he called and talked with Jim Mummerts. I understand is he sure knows the engines even the RR's.


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That's the site I used to identify the motor I just picked up, it is a B5AE, 1959 272.   I too want a 312 for correctness but an option would be to bore this one to a 292. I'm going to get this motor running and do some tests on it to see what kid of shape it's in, if it's a decent motor I'm hesitant to just strip it for parts unless we simply can't find what we want. Then I would send this one out and let the machine shop determine if it can be bored.
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Interesting find on identifying the Y block. I found some more with a casting # listing:

Y-BLOCK CASTING NUMBERS

ALL BLOCKS HAVE 6015 in the block casting number. This is found on all blocks and is Ford's number for an engine block.

Example- EDB 6015 E

BLOCK I.D. CODES                               NOTES

CEBY   256-272 cu in      Cast in Canada. Export block. Used in Canada, Australia, South Africa

CECK 292 cu in              Cast in Canada. Export block. Used in Canada, Australia ect

EAA     215 cu. in. I-6      1952-53 Ford OHV six cylinder. Increased to 223 in '54. See EBP

EAD     317 cu. in. V8      1952-54. Early Lincoln OHV engine. Not interchangeable with Ford. see Lincoln page                           www.ford-y-block.com

EAL      279 cu. in. V8      1954 Ford HD truck. see Lincoln page.

EAM    317 cu. in. V8      1954 Ford HD truck. see Lincoln page.     www.ford-y-block.com

EBJ       341 cu. in. V8      1955. Early Lincoln OHV engine. See Lincoln page.

ECU      368 cu. in. V8      1956-57. Early Lincoln OHV engine. See Lincoln page.

EBP      223 cu. in. I-6       1954- cars & Lt. trucks. EBR, EBS, EBT in HD trucks

EBU      239 cu. in. V8      1954 cars only. Cleveland and Dearborn versions.

EBV      239 cu. in. V8      1955 pickup, small cam bearings        www.ford-y-block.com

EBY      256 cu. in. V8      1954 Mercury

ECG      272 cu. in V8        1955 to 57 cars and trucks. Typically Dearborn casting.

ECH      292 cu. in. V8      1955                         www.ford-y-block.com

ECJ       292 cu. in. V8       1955

ECL       292 cu. in. V8      1955

ECK      292 cu. in. V8      1955-56                    www.ford-y-block.com

EDB-A      292 cu. in. V8      1955-57 if cast at Dearborn Foundry. EDB found near distributor and generator

B5AE    272 cu in V8        1959 Replacement block for 272. May have been used for marine & fleet

PLEASE NOTE: 292 and 312 Blocks were machined from the same castings with the same markings. If the following blocks have EBU main caps it is a 292, if it has ECZ main caps it is a 312.

ECZ-A    292-312 cu. in. V8      1956 ECZ 6015 A    With EBU main caps =292.    ECZ main caps =312   Check crank flange or main caps.

ECZ-B    292-312 cu in V8    1956-57 292 or 312

ECZ -C     312 cu. in. V8       1957 ECZ 6015 C.        292 with EBU main caps.

EDB-E      292 cu. in V8       1958-59 cars and trucks to April 59.     312 in Mercury

B9AE-F     292 cu. in. V8     1959-60 cars and trucks. (312 with ECZ main caps, 1959 & 60 Mercury only)                            

C1AE-R     292 cu. in. V8     1961 cars and trucks              www.ford-y-block.com

C2AE-C     292 cu. in. V8      1962 cars 62-64 trucks

B7ME        312 cu. in. V8     1962? later 312 replacement block. C2AE main webs. Only example seen was a marine engine      

NOTE: 6015 is Ford's number for an engine block. All blocks have this number.

This is from Jim Mummerts website


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   I could be talked into using a 292. I could tell people that it's a 312, but I don't do that sort of thing!


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