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    Posted: March-29-2016 at 3:10pm
Finally got a new Acme to replace the original Federal on my 89. I remember reading some stuff about lapping on here, but can't find the thread. Can somebody give me a basic explanation of the lapping procedure (purpose, technique, etc...) or a link. Thanks!
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That's what I needed. Thank you!
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The very first and most important part of installing a prop that I was taught years ago, was dressing the keyway corners on the prop first. Making sure your key slips thru the keyway in the prop. Just the outer most corner, not the entire length of the keyway.

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i'm a little confused on what you mean al
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

i'm a little confused on what you mean al

Removal of burrs from broaching the keyway at it's two intersections to the tapered bore and face of the hub.


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Maybe I should have said inner most corners.   These corners get flared or slightly mushroomed by the prop fixtures. Causing your key to drag.
So, by slightly filing the corners, there's usually no need to file on your key.
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still not sure what inner means. the edges riding along the shaft?
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

so knock off the edge on the nut face or the shaft face?

Thats my question too
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Why not just put the key in the shaft keyway before sliding the prop on? Having a burr on the prop face would be perfect for preventing the key from sliding all the way through the prop. Or am I missing something?
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Just the corner at the red line.   Maybe I should have said - on the inside of the keyway at the hub face.

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now it sounds like you're talking about a point, not an edge
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Irrelevant to this conversation but on the newer boats they drill the key and shaft and put a small split roll pin in the key to keep it in place while installing the prop . Keeps the key from wandering up the shaft as you put the prop on, Pretty slick.
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lapping prop and key ride are 2 different issues.
lapping is simply honing the hub to the shaft using valve grinding compound after this you put prop on shaft with nut but NO key. mark how far down the shaft the prop sits then take off and install with key. if it doesnt hit the mark you made then its riding the key. Hone the key down until the hub no longer rides it.
Remember the Key is only for alignment, the taper holds the prop in place, better lap job the better it holds.
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yes thanks i don't think anyone is talking about lapping anymore

al, i'm friggin lost on where this roll pin goes now! i'm extra special today
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That's Alan A's roll pin.   I'm not sure I like the idea of a pinned key.   I like my keys to slide in the prop and in the shaft keyway.

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Have Luke explain it to you. I saw him helping Jbear with his phone. I'm thinking Eddie has been mentoring him.
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General Propeller did the roll pin key thing on my double taper, non ARE shaft from them last year... I also though it was slick It goes in the key and there is a hole in the slot on the shaft so that the key stays in its place on the shaft.
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OK Joe,   now I'm "Special"

What is a Non-ARE - dual taper ?


edit:   Does ARE mean it's exclusive to Elbert's ?
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My regular shaft with press coupling has a pinned key AND is spoon cut. I never saw a 1" shaft spoon cut before but the machinist is a friend and went a little overboard.

just when you had pinned keys all figured out too...
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there is absolutely no need to pin the key

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Originally posted by shierh shierh wrote:

there is absolutely no need to pin the key

Why not? Since many have an issue with the key riding up on the shallow portion of the keyway it sure would help them. You don't feel the simple addition is helpful?


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Yeah,    I would not want a pinned key.    I would assume they drill all the way thru the shaft so you can remove the pin, thus making an un-necessary weak point.

Could this be an attempt to sell more prop shafts ?
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How well does the permanent marker work compared to the high spot blue? Could save me an hr of driving.
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Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

Yeah,    I would not want a pinned key.    I would assume they drill all the way thru the shaft so you can remove the pin, thus making an un-necessary weak point.
unless I'm not following this correctly (which is very possible) the pin is part of the key. they sell them with or without, depending on which kind of shaft you have. because of this, only about 1/8 inch needs to be drilled into the shaft in the keyway. I'm no engineer but I wouldn't think that small hole would introduce much weakness at all.
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now, you can put the key in backwards and line up the pin with the key in the wrong spot, but if memory serves, if you do that you can't get the prop over it so it becomes obvious quickly
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Originally posted by lcgordon lcgordon wrote:

How well does the permanent marker work compared to the high spot blue? Could save me an hr of driving.

The Prussian Blue is really an option and meant to give an obvious indication of any area where the contact surface still needs lapping. Give the marker a try. I know in a pinch tools makers use markers.


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Originally posted by IAughtNaut IAughtNaut wrote:

Originally posted by DrCC DrCC wrote:

Yeah,    I would not want a pinned key.    I would assume they drill all the way thru the shaft so you can remove the pin, thus making an un-necessary weak point.
unless I'm not following this correctly (which is very possible) the pin is part of the key. they sell them with or without, depending on which kind of shaft you have. because of this, only about 1/8 inch needs to be drilled into the shaft in the keyway. I'm no engineer but I wouldn't think that small hole would introduce much weakness at all.

I agree that any added weakness is minimal and not a concern. The hole doesn't need to go all the way through the shaft.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by lcgordon lcgordon wrote:

How well does the permanent marker work compared to the high spot blue? Could save me an hr of driving.

The Prussian Blue is really an option and meant to give an obvious indication of any area where the contact surface still needs lapping. Give the marker a try. I know in a pinch tools makers use markers.


Thanks Ill do that. Gonna make some calls to places around my work but by home its 20 min away plus traffic so it could take a while.
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I'd venture a guess most people here don't lap at all, let a lone spot check. I wouldn't waste an hour of my day to get the prussian blue.
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