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emccallum
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Blamey
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I have a 422 that I'd like to sell. I got it in June last year and used it for the rest of the summer.
Last I checked it was in perfect condition. It has never been repaired. I got it for my Sport Nautique but since the engine is a little tired I need something that spins a little faster as my max rpm is a little low. I'd let it go for $280 shipped, which is basically $100 less then what I cost me with shipping. |
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tryathlete
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I think Mike is "all in" and not too concerned if there's an engine or transmission issue. If he needed, I have the feeling Mike will procure driveline in a similar fashion to the boat. It wouldn't surprise me if Mike found a GT40 and velvet drive for $500!
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91nautique
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Mike,
Can I suggest before you purchase a prop,rudder,shaft,strut and rudder port confirm the motor runs,it may be a deciding factor on whether you proceed with the repairs or how you go about the repairs to the hull. If its ok I would change the fluids and winterise ,it may be some time before you can run it again. Same with the gearbox,if the engine runs you could access it to some point if its ok. Ask yourself this -if the motor needs a rebuild and the gearbox is suspect would you still go ahead with the repairs to the hull? Either way it would be better to know now. |
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8122pbrainard
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Chris, Guessing aside, using the shaft is a good method. It's the reverse of when alignment is done, the strut is already in place and you find that "happy spot" where the shaft turns freely and is centered in the log. For strut position, the shaft is bolted up to the trans, centered in the log and then the strut can be located. Final engine alignment is still required. |
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quinner
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Considering you can get a brand new 422 for $350 not sure I see that CL prop being worth $300?? Maybe 1/2 that. A 422 or a 224 would be a much better prop on that boat.
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SNobsessed
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Guessing the shaft will be used to position strut?
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Gary S
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A.R.E. link give them a call and have them tell you how to measure what you need.
Then check here skidim see if it's cheaper to go direct or with Skidim |
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Mike9812121298
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I live in Bonney lake, so I'm about 1 min away from lake tapps. What city r u in? I found a local brand new oj 14x18 right hand ( https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bpo/6045085011.html )
I wanna use the boat for wake boarding and wake sufing. Will this prop work or better to get a different one? Any chance someone could post a link to the correct driveshaft, sounds like double taper will be the way to go. I'll also need one of these? http://shaftseal.com/en/categories/300000116 I ordered a blue top battery last night, trying to get some parts order so I'm not waiting on them. Is there anything else I'm missing? |
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Donald80SN
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Very fixable, but check out the transmission for possible damage too. Sometimes they can get hurt when a prop and drive shaft get hurt. ARE double taper shaft is indeed the way to go. It can be a great boat once again. Get your new prop from Delta Propellers, they are a site sponsor and you can save by using discount code DP5CCFO8. There is a banner or Ad in the left hand corner of this site. Also, you may find one used on Ski it again .com. Gel Coat likely was made by Spectrum Color and it can be found at www.iboats.com. Look up your gel by MFG or Correct Craft.
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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Dreaming
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Mike, nice to have another Seattle CCF. there are a couple of us on this side of the mountains, so if you need to look at another similar model for reference, let me know.
Sounds like a nice deal if you can get the motor running. I too swapped out the EFI (TBI) for carb and electronic ignition last year, I think you should keep the carb set up the way you purchased it. Where do you plan on boating? Based on your user name, I am guessing you live in Belltown? |
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tryathlete
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What a great forum. What an awesome set of data to encourage Mike in his quest. Mike, you've clearly come to the right place!
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91nautique
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The glass materials number is about right, when I say 20 hours,it was about that number but over a two week period. I had access to all the right tools/equipment/advice and materials,and have done a lot of glass work on other boats.
Unfortunately I did not document the repair very well,the damage was virtually identical to Mike's boat. The repair started with grinding out the rudder port area but I ended up grinding all the way to the shaft log chasing down the fractures and cracks and up the sides of the stringers and up the transom past the exhaust outlet. I did not turn the boat over. It started with a new rudder port,shaft,strut and coupler, the area the strut bolted to was severely compromised but had not shifted,so I left that area as it was (temporarily) and used it to align the rudder port area using the new shaft and temp bolting the strut to the damaged area. I cut out the rudder port area and feathered it back to the stringers,this is the only pic I have prior to actually cutting out the area around the rudder port,if you look closely at the area where the strut mounts you can see the fractures and delamitation in that area but it had not shifted,so I left it temporarily to set up the rudder port area. I then cut out the area around the rudder port and feathered it back,mounting the new rudder port onto steel plates that where tek screwed into the hull from underneath Originally the rudder port was not flush with the hull (underneath)I opted to flush mount it by recessing into the hull,this is what it looked like from underneath with the formwork fixed to the hull. Leaving the rudder port in place I thin layered matt directly to the rudder port,you can see the actual area I ended up cutting by the sunlight showing through the thin area, I then drilled the holes for the four mounting bolts and refilled them with resin/talc mixture to mark there location (not shown) Underneath after the formwork was removed I then repeated the process around the strut area (no pics) Once that area was set up (thin) I then ground back and feathered the entire area up to the shaft log,up the sides of the stringers and up past the exhaust outlet.Underneath I feathered back the same area. (no pics) I cut up and numbered multiple pieces of heavy mat, and kevlar offcuts and gradually thinner matt material (no pics)and prepped the area with acetone and heat to ensure it was moister free.and using two people we layered up the entire repair in in one hit starting from up the transom,and backed out and finished at the shaft log, as it cured we worked back over the strut,rudder port areas with multiple layers and built it up to over 3/4 of an inch thick,no wood was used. Underneath we layered up (thin) and faired back as the strength of the repair was taken care of inside.I then wet sanded the entire repair smooth These are the only pics I have of the result, I hope this helps. |
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emccallum
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I had the Protec EFI on my 95. There was a reason they only used it for one year! Some of the replacement parts are NLA. I had trouble with my EFI not starting and scrapped the system and went with the carb and electronic ignition. Pretty pricey to swap over, but it has been bullet proof for many years. I think I sold my whole EFI set up to another CCFAN for a few bucks. He was trying to keep his running. I vote for leaving the carb and the hull EFI decal!.
Also, if your low oil light on the dash is not working it is b/c the retro kit did not allow for it. There is a way to make it work, and I can check mine to tell you how to wire it. It lights up when the key is turned to on. Goes off after starting. carb retrofit ignition |
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SNobsessed
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The carb is much easier to troubleshoot, It's a tradeoff, gas economy vs. diagnostic time.
Many on this site use US Composite materials.. If you call them, they will help you decide what to buy. I would put on extra layup layers into your patch, so there is no doubt as to the strength. You may want to make some sort of alignment jig to make sure the strut & rudder mounting surface lay up square. Another option could be to strip the engine & interior, then take it to a fiberglass shop for the glass work. They have slings to roll it upside down. Might be worth the money. Ask for epoxy resin. |
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flyweed
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If they swapped out the old Pro Tech Ign. for the carb setup, you are MUCH better off already! Just do a search here on the forums, and you'll see the original setup was known to have problems, so people did the swap out all the time. My boat also has the swap out, and it's a much better running engine with the Holly Carb. If they have already swapped it out on yours, it was for good reason.
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Mike9812121298
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quick questions, The boat is org a efi engine, the guy gave me a box with the org efi setup. He was telling me that they had a bunch of issues with the efi back in the day, so the factory would swap out and carb them. Theres a holly carb on it now, I would like to put it back to efi, Does anyone know why they would have removed it?
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MrMcD
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Great looking boat, it will be a keeper once fixed.
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flyweed
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agree with the last few posts...pull the engine and drive and flip it over....so much easier to do a good quality glass repair on the "top" side then underneath. :)
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emccallum
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That looks like an awesome find. Gel looks real shiny, and interior looks original.
I agree with JQ on the double taper shaft. Easier install and removal. A bent strut or fins can be straightened, although yours may be beyond repair. I sent my bent strut to Delta propeller. I used a stock style cutlass bearing. I dont recall where I got it, but I can look it up if you need it. Go with a PSS dripless packing and a new CNC prop! With the deal you got, go big! We can help you do that. Pulling the motor isnt very hard. I used my tractor bucket. |
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fanofccfan
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She shines and looks like a diamond from the waterline up! I agree on the flipping advice as well. Good project to watch for us.
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Jonny Quest
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Go with the A.R.E. drive shaft (double-taper). About the same cost as a "standard", but a better unit. If I were doing it, I'd pull the motor and transmission and flip the boat over for glass repairs. Don't go "cheap" on things under the water line...
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Mike9812121298
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I'm going to tear it down this morning and get a better idea what's going On. I'm rolling the dice on if the engine runs or not. I didn't start it before buying, he did tell me if I wanted to hear it run to bring a battery and gas. He was telling me I need a 51 drive shaft, does that sound right? He also suggested to only buy that new. Does that sound right?
If u could find those pics that would be really cool. I've only gone glass a few times so I'm no expert by any means. Got it cleaned up last night, I ways have to clean the project before starting it. |
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tryathlete
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$500/20 hours seems light but if that's the case $1840 is one hell of a deal. Mike is going to have to show us the job!
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91nautique
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It was a long time ago,In glass materials it was probably under $ 500, it took about 20 hours, most of the time was prep and making a jig to re -aline everything, I took some pics, will find them and post |
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emccallum
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Subscribed. Cool restoration. The rest of the boat seems to be in pretty good shape. If the motor and rest of the boat is good, you can spend 8k and still be in good shape.
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tryathlete
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What did it actually wind up costing you in $$/hours to do a similar repair?
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91nautique
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I did a repair on a CC with virtually identical damage myself, it was a little daunting tearing out the entire section around the rudder and skeg leaving a giant hole in the boat and starting again.
It's fixable! |
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peter1234
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it would be nice to get the fuel and drivetrain out of that boat and get it upside down for repairs
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former skylark owner now a formula but I cant let this place go
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SNobsessed
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Are you going to do the glass work yourself?
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