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http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/HowTo-Publications/Fiberglass-Boat-Repair-and-Maintenance.pdf

I'm not a boat builder and am excited about your project enough to keep reading every post on your thread. I've built Fiberglas kayaks and have repaired holes and done a little gel spraying --enough to know I didn't know much. Maybe this link will give you a little direction.

http://www.westsystem.com/ss/assets/HowTo-Publications/Fiberglass-Boat-Repair-and-Maintenance.pdf
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Mike - Sorry for the kibitzing, but just want to help you achieve optimum outcome.

You might want to assemble the rudder port & rudder & check for center before you start glassing (assuming the glue is strong enough to support the weight.) The reason I suggest this is that the length of the rudder will magnify even a small amount of error in the surface of the mount. Easy to fix now, much harder to fix after the glass has cured. Just a thought.
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I believe the iso-damp material on either side of the damage should be removed also. You then can overlay resin and fiberglass tapering out past the damage. When done it could be replaced making it easier replicating the original look.
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Mike, just a bit of advice from an observer. The need to grind into those cracks isn't really optional. This repair isn't something for inexperienced hobbyists. For the strength of this area to survive the stresses that a tournament ski boat will undergo, the rudder has to be bulletproof in terms of strength or the repair will wind up being a failure and the consequences might even be hazardous to family members and friends.

Filling of the v-ground cracks with a mixture of resin and chopped glass before overlaying of several layers of properly oriented and saturated Fiberglas should do the trick if properly laid in on both sides of the hull.

Just putting lots of resin without glass is not going to return the strength to proper levels. Trust all of us--follow the advice and take the time to do this properly. We want you to be successful!
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Originally posted by Mike9812121298 Mike9812121298 wrote:

I got some work done on the hull, I did some more cuting and sanding last night. The strut mount looks pretty solid, the rudder mount I added some glue before I fiberglass to make that connection from when it ripped out of there. Next I'm going to sand down the glue to make it level and flat.





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Mike,
I suggest going deeper into the cracks that are evident on both the inside and outside of the hull. By routing them out farther, you may be able to make sure there isn't any disbonding between the layers of glass.


Mike,
I don't feel you are following recommended procedure with the repair to the hull. As mentioned, you need to grind out the cracks more.

What is the "glue" you refer to? The gray colored stuff you applied? What is it?


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Now that you have the rudder port material glued back into place, I recommend grinding a V groove, almost thru the entire thickness of the cracks.    Do one side at a time, so you don't lose position.    Pack the groove with glass, then grind flush after cure.    Then proceed with the overlays.    If you leave the crack it will be a stress riser (weak spot).
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Originally posted by tryathlete tryathlete wrote:

Mike, that's not a GT40 EFI. That engine was not available until 95. You've got the one many have converted to carb because of lack of availability of replacement parts. It was a Throttle Body injected engine. The GT40 is port injection.


Yup, and the TBI I believe was 300HP.
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Mike, that's not a GT40 EFI. That engine was not available until 95. You've got the one many have converted to carb because of lack of availability of replacement parts. It was a Throttle Body injected engine. The GT40 is port injection.
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It was also a efi engine but was taken off. So that would make it 310hp? Any idea what those rectangle blocks are for? I can just remove them?
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Thinking that you better grind the bilge gel coat down to raw glass also. I would take it out towards each side at least 6 inches more. Your patches need to be narrow and building up to wide patches on top. The more width you get the better for strength    JMO Duane.
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I think if you have the GT40 heads then you have the carbed version of the Pro Boss. I believe this was rated at 280HP.

I have also read that the HP difference between the Pro BOss Carb'd(280HP), Pro Boss TBI(300HP) and GT40 (310 HP) is likely just marketing and that the engines will all perform around the same when turned correctly. Not sure how accurate that is but the difference is small and really the condition of the engine will make a bigger difference.
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I believe those three lines or bars on the heads is very significant. If my memory is correct, that means GT Heads.
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I took the end coming from the bottom of the boat and put that in the bucket. That one goes into filter. Tried to show on the pics.   

I was working on the boat last night and noticed the heads had gt stamped on them. This would make them gt heads correct? I did some research this morning and learned that it would also have the 3 lines on the end of the head. I was reading they didn't put out the gt40 engine until 95? What kind of hp difference is between gt and the lower heads?

I got some work done on the hull, I did some more cuting and sanding last night. The strut mount looks pretty solid, the rudder mount I added some glue before I fiberglass to make that connection from when it ripped out of there. Next I'm going to sand down the glue to make it level and flat.   Then I will be packing on the fiberglass.








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Looks like you have a good helper there with you.
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Make sure the filter has an o ring and is not loose and sucking air. Several different ways to run boat out of water.

I unplug the hose at the top of the trans cooler and use an old u shape washer machine rubber waste line. One end over the trans cooler and a hose stuffed up the other. Fits perfect. Crank motor and turn hose on. It takes a few minutes before water starts coming out of exhaust. Some say the cooler is fragile, but I have not had any issues. It is just an easy place for me to get too. I leave the rubber washer machine u hose in the boat. Has worked for me for about 20 years. Same hose!
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I don't care how you cut it that boat was a great deal . for me it would be good sweat equity and a learning project. I hope everything goes good for you. The one thing I would do though is follow Pete's advice about exposing everything down as deep as you can to make sure you get anything that is hidden damage in the layers
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It runs! Check that off the list. Back to work on the hull!
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OK. I guess it just looked strange to me.
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isn't the end IN the rubbermaid bucket, the end that hooks onto the intake in the boat bottom? That's what it looks like to me.
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Originally posted by desertskier desertskier wrote:

After looking at your picture you have it hooked up wrong. You need to supply water before it connects to the raw water pump. Water flows from the inlet on the boat hull then through the trans cooler then to the RWP. It looks like you disconnected it at the RWP so it was sucking air.

To me, it looks like the water supply is on the suction side of the RWP.


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After looking at your picture you have it hooked up wrong. You need to supply water before it connects to the raw water pump. Water flows from the inlet on the boat hull then through the trans cooler then to the RWP. It looks like you disconnected it at the RWP so it was sucking air.
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Sounds good to me from your video. You didn't really run it long enough to suck up much water. I suggest installing the "Timmy T" mod, so you can hook it up to a hose, and run it longer. Check your engine oil, and transmission fluid and look for water intrusion, and also any foreign contaminants like metal filings, etc. Just good peace of mind.

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I would check raw water pump impeller. If the boat lost contact with the water during the accident it may have been damaged.
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Got some time this morning to get it fired up. Checks that off the list of things to do. Engine sounds good, it didn't seem to be sucking up much water. Do I have it hooked up right? I only
Let it run for 5-10 seconds at a time.






Here's the YouTube video of it running

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Originally posted by Mike9812121298 Mike9812121298 wrote:

The plan is to just lay the fiberglass down on the top.

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I suggest going deeper into the cracks that are evident on both the inside and outside of the hull. By routing them out farther, you may be able to make sure there isn't any disbonding between the layers of glass.


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been trying to get the work done on the boat. Just need to take it down a little bit more. As i was sanding it down the underside didnt look to bad, everything still seems to be in line. The plan is to just lay the fiberglass down on the top.



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Originally posted by Mike9812121298 Mike9812121298 wrote:

Your right I should try starting up the engine, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper to believe that it runs perfect then to find out there's a issues with it. Lol



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Your right I should try starting up the engine, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper to believe that it runs perfect then to find out there's a issues with it. Lol

Using Amec website there saying the 480 prop for wakeboarding? Has anyone used this prop before? I think I'm going to pass on the craigs one. My problem is I have to remind my self not to be to cheap. I can usually do pretty good on finding a good deal, last summer I picked up a 90 bayliner for 1800, used it all summer then sold it in September for 4,300 without doing anything but putting gas into it.

I'm going to make some calls this morning and see if I can get some parts ordered. I'm trying to have this boat done in a month.
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Originally posted by Mike9812121298 Mike9812121298 wrote:

I live in Bonney lake, so I'm about 1 min away from lake tapps.



Hi Mike, I am in NE Tacoma/Federal way, but we consider Lake Tapps to be our lake of choice for now.   I'll look for you this summer.    
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