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    Posted: July-03-2018 at 12:07am
Everyone asked what the next boat project would be for Jesse and me and here it is...
1972 Correct Craft Skier w a 302.  EDIT: ***Site was hacked and many pictures lost.  I re-added the below pic.  Page 4 starts pics again with some older pics as a catch-up on the process***





The Tique project was rewarding and of course will never be 100% complete but we decided to take on another project for the upcoming offseason. This one will not be done in as compressed a time frame as the Tique...so we are telling ourselves and our wives. Jesse and I took an afternoon with ReidP to take a look at some projects and we left owning this one which is very exciting. Thanks Reid! We haven't gone over it with a fine tooth comb yet so we don't know exactly what we have, but we do know that the seats pictured are not for this boat and hopefully we will find the missing fender.

Also picked up a 77 Tique hull for parts and the trailer. The hull probably too far gone but we will make that decision on down the road. Hoping the 302 engine could power another boat in the future...

And Joe, don't worry, we have our eye on that 1970 Gen 2 red Ski Nautique you mentioned. While we didn't fully commit the day we were there, I would put it at a very high probability that it will have a thread too    .

Also, we started an instagram page @classiccorrectcrafts to show boat projects and other cool correct craft related pics. Give it a look and give us a follow. We are trying to build the follower base. Thanks.
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Square windshield skier

I'm hoping to take one over from a fellow CCFan soon myself

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David and Jesse,

Nice choice I love it. HOWEVER !!!!!!!!!!!, two guys in your condition SHOULD NOT be hanging out with Reid P.   Reid is the last one on earth to visit when you have the I think I need another boat feeling.   I will be in touch with both of your wives soon to set up a most needed intervention. Meanwhile, I am asking your bank suspend both of your abilities to pull out any money for anything more than beer, some food and two dollar bills for the Winston Salem Ballet.

If I do not act now, Jesse's Barn will look like Reid's warehouse. I am also afraid that the friend across the lake from you with five boats is also a very bad influence. Hanging out with him might need to be taken a hard look at until you two have fully recovered. What's next skiing with no skis on your feet backwards?

All I need to do is remind your bride about having to leave her car out of the garage all winter while you and Jesse play fiberglass shop. The Tique was a gateway drug, you two can't handle this alone. You need professional help !!!!!!!

Just trying to help.

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Today we put the Skier in its new home for the winter. Going to start working on this one, but it will be slower than the Tique.



We started today by cleaning it out some and trying to fire it up. No clue on the condition of the engine but we hear it ran when it was put up last. Turns well with a bar. No exhaust manifolds yet bc we were just checking to see if the starter worked and whether it got spark and gas. First was spark but before we could get there we ran into another issue. The transmission seems to be stuck in gear so the starter won't turn the engine well. Trans fluid is clean looking and in the middle of the dip stick. The shifter moves the trans in to fwd, neutral and rev just fine but when we crank in any of the three positions the prop moves clockwise. Turns very free in neutral. Rebuid necessary? 71C. How to take it off since the engine mounts are built on to the trans? Prop the bell housing up with a board and remove trans?





Also, we are perplexed on our water circulation from the thermostat housing. There seems to be three hoses coming off each side which look like they would all go to exhaust manifolds. I can't find pics in my searches of this setup for 302's. Any help? The manifolds we are putting on only need one hose coming in...what do we do with the rest?





Next, while trying to fire it up, we used a handheld remote starter hooked to the solenoid. One clip on the battery post and one on the small post with the ignition wire coming from the neutral safety switch (which works). The solenoid was smoking. Any thoughts there? Has us worried a bit. It is a new style solenoid.

Would love to get the motor running even for a sec before pulling it to work on the stringers. Thanks for the help and stay tuned. Hope to give some more to read over the winter.
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It looks like that's a Conqueror/Crusader 302 based on the picture of the thermostat housing and your hose description. TRB has one in a Skier

Strictly a guess here, but if you're using the manifolds from your extra 77 302 engine, why not use the thermostat housing from that also?

Or you could buy one of these. It's from Barr and just like what came on Indmar Ford engines. Just one hose to each manifold

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Why don't you pull the plugs and see how the engine turns over with the starter.

Maybe you have a starter issue or wiring issue. How about trying the starter from the 77 302? Or a known good one from the 78? Or testing the one that's in it now

Your transmission with no shaft hooked to it and no drag of any kind on the output side is probably spinning with the engine for that reason especially if the thing has sat for years and the fluid is cold.. You could probably stop the spinning with light pressure from a 2X4 or something along those lines. No fair using body parts like hands or feet to stop it though
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Here's a link to piles of pictures of a 72 Skier and some info to go along with the pictures

Some of the info is let's say confusing and the cooling system issues may or may not have ever been figured out. He had the original manifolds with some internal issues like holes where they shouldn't be.

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By the way, I see a line of people getting ready to jump all over your carburetor and say it's not marine because it doesn't have J tubes.

Don't blindly listen to them

Get the list number from the air horn and it can be determined if it's marine.

Back in 72 a marine Holley had no J tubes and it also had externally adjustable floats like yours does
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There are no manifolds on either engine. We have a spare set that we will be putting on. They are black rectangular manifolds with a hose that connects the front and rear. I’ll look to see if I have a pic here. We could take the therm housing off the junk tique engine but hoping to keep that engine together too (greedy I know). We have a line on manifolds for that one too. Otherwise it is fully intact (whether it runs is another ballgame).

We will try the block on the prop to see if it stops the trans. We have an extra starter or two that we can try.

As for cooling, on each side, could we connect an output hose to the manifolds, and connect one hose in a U to the other outputs. Take the side outputs from 3 to 1?

Any thoughts on the smoking solenoid?

Pretty sure the carb is marine. Have seen many threads over the years about j tubes. The 4160 on the junk tique does have j tubes. Will check the number on this one.
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1. Do not listen to Donald
2. How about those valve covers....
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+2 On what Cousin Donald said. That Reid has a way of rubbing off on you. He'd been working on me for a couple years about getting another boat and the standard answer was "I've already got one, why do I need another one? Besides I don't even live on the water." His response of course was. "Footie, ya gotta have a spare!" Then Joe and Tim start on me as well. and I caved when The Godfather put The One up for sale. Itching for another one but Heather hasn't been too keen on the idea. I'll add another one once I have a lake for a back yard.

Dave and Jesse we all look forward to the progress on the new addition to the fleet. No pressure on you guys but it'd be cool to ski/drive it next Oct for the Badin Mini. Good job guys and from the looks of the size at that barn; you've got room for at least a couple more!
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Pretty sure the carb is marine. Have seen many threads over the years about j tubes. The 4160 on the junk tique does have j tubes. Will check the number on this one.


As far as the carb goes. Get the serial #'s off it Gary has a book (maybe check the net) at the house of marine carbs by serial #'s. Kermits carb didn't have J-tubes either so I thought it wasn't a marine approved carb. Summit racing is down the street so I replaced it with one that had them. Gary checked his book and said the one on it was marine approved. Not being a carb expert by any means but I guess there was a change in the rules somewhere in the mid 70's that said marine carbs must have J-tubes installed. Joe, Tim, Pete probably know. New ones ain't cheap so I'd stick with the one ya got.
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Valve covers are on the list. Will prob switch with the junk tique for the time being. Carb isn’t going anywhere. Will verify it is marine of course.
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I figure you mean you'll try a block on the output coupling of the transmission since the shaft is disconnected

Smoking solenoid is probably due to bad connections/wires or the starter is drawing lots of current, either because it's bad or the engine is too hard to turn.

Installing one of the extra known good starters should tell you a lot.
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Valve covers on the list? 😳. First thing I noticed and I like em! 😉
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The cobra valve covers are available to the highest bidder. Starting bid is a new thermostat housing and a plain set of valve covers...obo.

Ken. I would block the trans output or just hook the prop shaft back on and block the prop.
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Originally posted by Donald80SN Donald80SN wrote:

David and Jesse,

Nice choice I love it. HOWEVER !!!!!!!!!!!, two guys in your condition SHOULD NOT be hanging out with Reid P.   Reid is the last one on earth to visit when you have the I think I need another boat feeling. .

If I do not act now, Jesse's Barn will look like Reid's warehouse. I am also afraid that the friend across the lake from you with five boats is also a very bad influence. Hanging out with him might need to be taken a hard look at until you two have fully recovered. What's next skiing with no skis on your feet backwards?



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Donald, what happened to you? You should have more boats than anyone?
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Originally posted by Donald80SN Donald80SN wrote:

David and Jesse,

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Donald, what happened to you? You should have more boats than anyone?


Bruce,

I am able to use self control in all areas expect, eating, drinking beer and running my mouth / potty mouth.

Madeleine is in Graduate School and Natalie starts college next year. I am not blaming the kids for my lack of boats, but I am waiting for them to get off the payroll. If ever.
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What’s the SK#? I see a lot of details that may indicate 73 instead of 72.
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Cousin Donald...Payroll issues???? Guessing the Dancing gigs have dried up? WTH? You always tell us that you've been the main attraction since Swayze died. What gives?
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Serial number: 3402
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Originally posted by Donald80SN Donald80SN wrote:

David and Jesse,

Dr., Donald


Donald, what happened to you? You should have more boats than anyone?


Bruce,

I am able to use self control in all areas expect, eating, drinking beer and running my mouth / potty mouth.

Madeleine is in Graduate School and Natalie starts college next year. I am not blaming the kids for my lack of boats, but I am waiting for them to get off the payroll. If ever.


Well you better get Reid to teach you the "picking this up for someone else", harboring a fugitive" and "it won't be here long" tricks.
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FWIW my 76 had an early Escort that had a straight tube ext adjustable carb. I called the number on Holleys website and a human picked up the phone and I ran off the list number from carb and they verified it to be a 73 model marine carb.
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Serial number: 3402

The latest 72 I have written down is in the 3340’s and was built end of May ‘72... with the switchover in July you’re prpbablh right in the edge one way or the other. Lifting rings match the typical 72’s so it’s a mixed bag. No HIN on the transom I assume?
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Originally posted by Morfoot Morfoot wrote:

Cousin Donald...Payroll issues???? Guessing the Dancing gigs have dried up? WTH? You always tell us that you've been the main attraction since Swayze died. What gives?


I have been temporarily side lined because I injured my lower back by Twerking for the ladies.   
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Correct. No HIN on the transom.

Does the throttle give any hints? Or was that pretty std in that time period? Also, would the twin airguides have been from factory?

Whatever the year we are ready to get her prettied up and running. Wouldn’t mind stroking out one of these 302s but first things first.
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I’ve only seen that throttle on 73’s, but without a HIN on the transom that may make it a very late ‘72.

No, the airguides were added by a PO. Most, if not all skiers came without any, it’s possible that a single was offered but i suspect most were added by dealers or after the fact due to widely varying styles and mounting configuration. Only SN’s of the era got dual. Fuel gauge, hour meter and horn were all optional on the Skier, it was a bare bones model.
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I have been temporarily side lined because I injured my lower back by Twerking for the ladies.   


I know you love your work, tough to to be side lined on the probably the biggest money making season of the year. Also want to thank you for thinking of your CCF buddies when cancelling your shows, we could of helped.
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I have been temporarily side lined because I injured my lower back by Twerking for the ladies.   


I know you love your work, tough to to be side lined on the probably the biggest money making season of the year. Also want to thank you for thinking of your CCF buddies when cancelling your shows, we could of helped.


Yes, you would believe how much the lonely housewives desire to see a plump jolly fellow on the brass pole this time of a year. It is not expected, but you could setup a Go Fund Me Page to help with my acupuncture expenses and such. I also need to re-wax a few problem areas that interfere with my thong. Unsightly rashes can occur.
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These mental images are frightening.

Back to the issues at hand...plugging up some output holes on my tstat and potential for having to rebuild a trans. Would love some thoughts on the tstat working with a single hose manifold. On the trans side I’ll follow Ken’s advice on blocking and altering other starters.
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Looks to me to be a interceptor conversion with thermo electron thermostat housing. The throttle is stock for that boat. They used the MV control on the Ski Nautique. Later on they put the MV on all the models.
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