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wiscofoot
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I meant to say valve covers. I measured the intake manifold and the mounting bolts are 9.25” center to center.
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Gary S
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The only problem is that timing covers are interchangeable between a 302 and a 351.
302-- 351-- Both back to back- |
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wiscofoot
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You’re a hawk Ken. But the advice is worth the abuse so I keep coming back here. . I played the 302 vs 351 with an old timer Air Force mechanic at work and he told me that because there are 3 sets of bolts on each timing cover that’s it’s a 302. I was confused when I found out the carburetor rating months ago wasn’t consistent with what I was seeing on other 302s both marine and auto applications. PO is a pretty savvy heavy duty diesel mechanic (obv not marine) and also told me 302. So I just took it at face value. I broke off one of the boosters fishing out a dropped wing nut In the one of the secondary barrels and have been trying to figure out my best path forward. Holly will swedge in a new one for $55 If I mail it in.
I will go measure now. Can only post photos during business hours. |
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KENO
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Wisco
Here are a couple of questions you got asked in old posts that never got answered
So..........what's the story, is it a 302 or a 351 you have there? Here's a link with some info on throttle shaft differences between a marine and automotive Holley back then, you'll see pictures link |
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wiscofoot
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The 4160 on my '76 is a marine model without the J tubes. I verified this with Holley. Externally adjustable float. What are the other functional differences between marine and automotive Holley's of this era? |
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TRBenj
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If you’re trying to restore faded color, you’ll need to be aggressive in my experience. I’d skip right to 320grit and consider going to 220grit if that’s still too slow.
Teleflex control, right? |
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samudj01
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Happy New Year to all. We had a good weekend with the boat...no deer though. Got it striped down, everything off except the underwater gear that will remain. Washed her and drained (cool pic of draining the water out the back). Measured it all up and ready for stringers. Before that we plan to work on some sanding and buffing to see how we can get the gel. That will determine whether this will be a coosa (most likely) or a doug fir build.
Following is what the gel looks like now. There has been some test sanding done by someone previously. We are trying to mimic this and having a tough time. See the pics below. Today we buffed with super duty and didn't come close to the results of these test spots. Then we used 1000 grit on a block and then 600. Nothing close. Any thoughts on how to get the results that are in the test spots? Also, a quick how to on this throttle control: Best pick I have of the before: 1) unscrew the black knob (gear/neutral knob) 2) pull the lever straight off...ours was stuck on there so we used a bearing puller which worked great...we were left with this (two bolts are removed in the pic) 3) remove the snap ring on the shaft and unscrew the retainer nut (round inner disc) 4) remove bolts from previous pic and remove the outer disc 5) remove the control device from behind the fiberglass |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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Jonny Quest
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Regarding Lucas Industries...
One of my Brittish friends says: "Do you know, mate, why the Brits drink warm beer? Because Lucas makes refrigerators, too". JQ |
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DVskier
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Lucas the prince of darkness!
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SNobsessed
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That jar has to be fake. Lucas smoke is black!
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“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”
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KRoundy
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Previous: 1993 Electric Blue/Charcoal Ski Nautique
Current: 2016 Ski Nautique 200 Open Bow |
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Gary S
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Confusing only because who knows what a PO backyard hack has done. Possibly has used some Lucas components. If that's the case you will need to top off the smoke.
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8122pbrainard
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David, The remote starter switch simply mimics the key switch feeding power to the coil on the start relay (solenoid) so the smoke is confusing. |
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samudj01
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Thanks for the link Gary! Exactly what we need.
Used the same starter. Once the prop was blocked the engine turned over fine. Used the key this time, no smoke from the solenoid. Must have been a connection issue when we were jumping it with the remote starter trigger. |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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KENO
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Did you put another starter in it or was there some other reason for the smoking solenoid issue you had earlier?
Rebuild depends on how adventurous you are. It just might work fine with a little dirty neutral for a long time. If you decide to rebuild, there is a lot of info on the site and it's easier with the right tools, but you can do some improvising too. They're all listed in the Borg Warner manual Besides snap ring pliers, a pair of lock ring pliers comes in handy. Duane in Indy made all the special tools needed a few years back, with an offer to make them for people at a reasonable price Send him a PM |
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Gary S
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Is this what your looking for? ebay link
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samudj01
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Updates. Got some goodies from John, a fellow Ccfan in NC including commander logs and a new thermostat housing. Going to make some changes. John has some great boats, parts and an awesome shop. He is into Chris Crafts too and I can’t wait to see some of his current projects progress! We had a great day looking at treasures and talking boats.
Worked on the boat this past weekend. We have spark and she fired a little with some gas down the carb. Stopped there for now as we don’t have the logs on yet and didn’t want to run. Also blocked the prop and the boat turned over well and the trans seemed fine. That said, the plates are warped or rusted. Rebuild or run to see if they go back to normal? We are thinking of rebuilding no matter to learn something. Also checked the instruments. They jump nicely on power. Hope they all work. Horn didn’t work. Traced the issue to the push button switch. Can it be rebuilt? The horn was tested and works like a champ. Next up, pull the engine and strip the boat. Hopefully this coming weekend. |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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Hollywood
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I don't know that plugging passages is a long term solution. You may be constructing flow and building internal pressure.
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TRBenj
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No it’s a conqueror crusader by thermo electron... a few of the accessories were common to the interceptor (rwp/bracket/etc) but not all. Interceptor was out of the game well before 72/73.
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woodyelc
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Looks to me to be a interceptor conversion with thermo electron thermostat housing. The throttle is stock for that boat. They used the MV control on the Ski Nautique. Later on they put the MV on all the models.
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samudj01
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These mental images are frightening.
Back to the issues at hand...plugging up some output holes on my tstat and potential for having to rebuild a trans. Would love some thoughts on the tstat working with a single hose manifold. On the trans side I’ll follow Ken’s advice on blocking and altering other starters. |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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Donald80SN
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Yes, you would believe how much the lonely housewives desire to see a plump jolly fellow on the brass pole this time of a year. It is not expected, but you could setup a Go Fund Me Page to help with my acupuncture expenses and such. I also need to re-wax a few problem areas that interfere with my thong. Unsightly rashes can occur. |
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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Gary S
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I know you love your work, tough to to be side lined on the probably the biggest money making season of the year. Also want to thank you for thinking of your CCF buddies when cancelling your shows, we could of helped. |
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TRBenj
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I’ve only seen that throttle on 73’s, but without a HIN on the transom that may make it a very late ‘72.
No, the airguides were added by a PO. Most, if not all skiers came without any, it’s possible that a single was offered but i suspect most were added by dealers or after the fact due to widely varying styles and mounting configuration. Only SN’s of the era got dual. Fuel gauge, hour meter and horn were all optional on the Skier, it was a bare bones model. |
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samudj01
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Correct. No HIN on the transom.
Does the throttle give any hints? Or was that pretty std in that time period? Also, would the twin airguides have been from factory? Whatever the year we are ready to get her prettied up and running. Wouldn’t mind stroking out one of these 302s but first things first. |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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Donald80SN
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I have been temporarily side lined because I injured my lower back by Twerking for the ladies. |
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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TRBenj
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The latest 72 I have written down is in the 3340’s and was built end of May ‘72... with the switchover in July you’re prpbablh right in the edge one way or the other. Lifting rings match the typical 72’s so it’s a mixed bag. No HIN on the transom I assume? |
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Orlando76
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FWIW my 76 had an early Escort that had a straight tube ext adjustable carb. I called the number on Holleys website and a human picked up the phone and I ran off the list number from carb and they verified it to be a 73 model marine carb.
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Riley
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Well you better get Reid to teach you the "picking this up for someone else", harboring a fugitive" and "it won't be here long" tricks. |
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