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Riley
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Looks great!
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NCH20SKIER
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Breakfast at Ricks @ 7:45
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fanofccfan
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That looks fantastic!
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2004 196 LE Ski 1969 Marauder 19 1978 Ski
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samudj01
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Tough crowd...no one came to sand or buff . Got done sanding over the weekend and compounding and polishing the past two days. It turned out pretty well thus far I think. Next up we plan to take the hull back to the farm to be waxed fri night while having a few cold snacks and flipped on sat morning with the help of a few fellow ccfans. Then the fun begins...cutting out stringers and grinding. Stay tuned.
Sanded: Half compounded: Compounded and polished: |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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samudj01
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Donald, as you know, if you come sand I provide beer and meals all day!
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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pjsmoreno
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Love the seventies era of the Correct
Craft’s! And then restoring the gel coat….that’s
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Donald80SN
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God Bless your lovely wife Ridgely.
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1980 Ski Nautique SOLD Back to Cypress Gardens
2002 Sport Nautique, GT-40, FCT2, Cover Sports, Tower Bimini, Inc., Wet Sounds Audio System, Star Gazer Wake Edition S. 1968 Ski Nautique, Project. |
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samudj01
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Got started on sanding with the 320. Still a ways to go but it is looking good when it rains like today. Knocking off the orange peel is tough to hit all spots...once 320 is done the remaining grits should move a lot easier and faster.
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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samudj01
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Started acetoning the boat and sanded the transom with 320 as recommended by the glass shop who sprayed. I used a light mist of black spray paint on the transom before I sanded to see where I was going and to see that I got any orange peel flat. Question: what is the actual product/process called when you color the gel before sanding? Thanks!
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
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samudj01
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And to continue the saga...hopefully get some work done this winter. I'll start with some pics of where we have been (since pics were deleted from the site).
1972 Skier project
Fixed the tires and bearings, took her to the shop, and stripped her. Boat gel had been worked on as shown in prev pic. Started wet sanding entire boat to match...couldn't get the gel to cooperate so we decided to sand and re-gel: Flipped the boat and filled in dings and nicks with vinylester. This boat had snaps for a cover which were also removed and holes filled. The boat is flipped and on a stand we built. Attached to the stringers. Sanded the boat down to 150, were ready to spray gel and we were warned that we prob needed to sand more. Sanded down more with 40 grit until we started getting through the gel in multiple places. While it doesn't show well in this pic below the gel is very thin and glass is starting to show through. And where we are now...brought the hull to Winston Salem last month to go to a paint booth for us to shoot gel. We ordered the orange color that is directly below the color "tan" It was a great match and is called "Tangerine" Took the boat to a friends shop with a paint booth but had trouble spraying gel due to temp. We shot test panels in the summer and had good luck. Unfortunately our friends shop was not warm enough and we were getting poor results so we took it to a pro with a heated shop. He shot the boat last week and it is looking good. Now it is in the driveway waiting to be sanded and buffed. Then stringers and floor, then the top deck gel etc. If anyone wants to sand...just let us know! |
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
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JoeinNY
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Post aggression there will likely then be the need for body filler, and primer before the reapplication of gel - then some wet sanding to flatten the gel. You could chose to paint from here - it wouldn't be gel but if the gel is in good shape and will be a good substrate a high quality self leveling paint involves a whole lot less work. - just an option |
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KENO
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Disappointed............No Mildly curious...........Yes |
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samudj01
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No compression news. Sorry to disappoint
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
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samudj01
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This gel is not cracked. The gel is good. Just had color issues. That said I hear you on getting more aggressive. Thanks.
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Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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JoeinNY
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Not for nothing but thats why I figured that gel should be restored... in cases where the gel is cracked so badly it all has to go sand paper on a da has never worked for me... belt Sanders and flap disks on grinders followed by a lot of work to get it back flat after is what I have had to do... |
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KENO
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Any engine /compression check news?
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samudj01
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This project is all over the place. We sanded a lot more on the gel. Used DA sanders with 80grit. We still aren’t getting through this gel. The paper could suck. Making lots of dust but not getting to glass. 36 grit? Will buy 3m this time. Is there special sand paper? Are we using the wrong tool. Frustrating to say the least. On another boat (junk) we sanded through the gel with 150. This is much thicker. Any advice is welcome.
In other news we got title to the trailer and are planning to have it sandblasted and painted. Will go under the tique for now. Anyone looking for an old #2 trailer? It is our tique trailer. Was wrecked and tongue modified a bit but it runs true. If any interest we can talk off line. |
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KENO
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Whatever you have on hand will work and the oil won't mess up the compression tester.
I use a little oil squirt can to get the oil into the cylinder and try to distribute it around the cylinder as much as I can. You'll find various different things written saying to use a teaspoon and others saying to use a tablespoon. I checked with Betty Crocker and 1 tablespoon is 3 teaspoons or 1/2 of an ounce of oil. There's nothing real scientific about this, you just want the oil to give a better seal on top of the rings and see how much the compression changes. The can in the picture takes 9 squirts to get a tablespoon into the cylinder and the flexible hose works pretty good to distribute the oil around. the cylinder/piston top How much you use is up to you, but I use close to a tablespoon on a low cylinder(s) like you have |
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samudj01
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Will the spoonful of oil in the spk plg hole not mess up the compression tester? Or do you put it in crank a bit to blow out the excess and then hook up the tester? Assume any oil is fine? We have 15w50 on hand I am sure.
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Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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KENO
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Since the boat's all torn apart and the engine is on a wooden storage stand or whatever, I kinda figure that if you can run it for 10 minutes or so on the stand with cooling water, that would be a good idea, then recheck the compression dry and wet to see if there were any changes.
Or somebody will tell you to go high tech and do a leak down test but either will tell you what you want to know You also have that mystery oil leak under the bell housing to find so this would give you that opportunity also. And if the transmission is still hooked up you can exercise that also It's an old engine with a 2 piece rear main seal, so you're getting into the bottom end of the engine anyways if you have to replace that seal Or you could decide it's too much trouble to do all this and that a rebuild is needed but you've never seen it run yet so I'd give running it a shot |
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MrMcD
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Wet Compression test would involve adding a teaspoon of oil in the spark plug hole and doing a re test. The oil will seal up bad rings and give higher compression with a wet test. If your issue is bad valves the oil does not help and compression will remain mostly the same.
An engine that has sat for long periods will have some rust on the cylinder wall and even on the valve stems. If your wet test takes your cylinder with 55 PSI and it jumps to 100 PSI you know the rings are leaking badly. I would hold off on a compression test till you run it for a while and let the rings clean up the cylinder walls and the valves pound on the seats and hopefully seat for you, sometimes the compression will jump back up if you are really lucky. As is you have two weak cylinders that need to get better or be repaired. A leak down test could help determine if the rings and valves are good. It will even show if you have an exhaust valve or intake valve issue but for now the wet test will help see what you have. Was this a good engine when it was parked? |
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samudj01
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Wet? In the water will make a difference. How? Or will the load make the difference. I like the potential of less rebuild.
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Previous - 99 Sport Nautique w/GT40 and 87 Martinique w/351 |
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TRBenj
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Next step is to re-perform wet and see if 2 and 6 come up appreciably.
The idea is to try and discern between valve sealing issues and blow by on the rings. Valve issues can be solved with a head recondition vs bottom end rebuild. |
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samudj01
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Compression testing type of day
1-110psi 2-85 3-110 4-105 5-110 6-55 7-105 8-115 Still a runner or have to rebuild? Any troubleshooting tips to determine issue? Rings or is this just a bore and rebuild? First time down the engine path. |
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samudj01
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Grabbed the Airtex pump as it was on sale for ~$40. Will give it a shot. Put it on the engine and she fired up. Didnt get to run for long bc no water but it sounded decent for the short run on the stand. Still leaking oil out of those two back holes. Looking like we will have to get a new rear main seal...sound right?
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78 Ski Tique, 72 Skier w/302's, 93 SN w/351 & 17 GS22 w/zr409
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Gary S
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Seriously reconsider using that dump gun - you guys are not spraying in a mold you are more or less painting with thicker paint. Booth is not necessary if it becomes to big a deal to find one of those temp garages/carport would work- your going to be buffing and sanding anyway
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jarrell001
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Duane in Indy - we have not sanded anything close to the amount you removed. I'd be curious to know what tools and what grit level you used to sand that deeply? We will be spraying with a G100 gel coat gun. I sprayed some test panels from a junk boat, and they turned out very nice. The real challenge will be even coverage and working in small batches of gel.
Gary S - I've read briefly about the dura tech hi gloss additive, but have not tried it. It looks like it thins things out significantly. Our next step is to find someone who will let us use their paint booth. We may have found one in Denton, NC and may know tomorrow if it will work out. |
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Gary S
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Duratec hi gloss additive is your friend here, check it out.
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Duane in Indy
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For clarity: I am by no means a gel coat expert here. Kind of a "jump in the lake and learn to swim later" type guy. Gel coat repair people earn every cent of the fee.
You also need a gun with large enough nozzle to spray this stuff. Orange peel is inevitable. And don't try to thin the gel down much or it will loose its integrity. |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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Duane in Indy
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Mine was so bad (as you can see) that I took it all the way down. Then filled the worst spots and then flooded it with a Polyester primer. Sanded again and then sprayed gel coats to proper thickness. Some have rolled the gel on. You are going to have to sand the new gel down to a smoothness that you can start buffing anyway. Horrible labor intensive job. We are applying everything backwards as the gel goes onto the mold first at the factory then the layup process begins. Good luck |
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Keep it as original as YOU want it
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