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Posted: January-27-2019 at 12:58pm |
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83 351 out of boat
A few questions. 1. Where is good place for engine parts? 2. Can engine be run out of boat , sitting on blocks? I read I should do compression check on warm engine. 3. What am I looking for in compression? |
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Parts - That would depend on exactly how much of the job you're doing yourself. If you are having basic machining only and you are assembling everything yourself with all your own internal parts you'd likely be looking at different suppliers than if you had a machine shop do a short or long block for you and you just have to reassemble the rest.
Yes, you can run the engine on blocks, but it can be quite a headache - lots of things to have in place before you can fire it up. But if all you're needing is a compression test I'm thinking that doesn't necessarily need to be done with a warm engine, especially if you are just rebuilding anyway. My past research indicated that good compression for the 351 is going to range from 120-165 psi depending on model and compression ratio. I think I've read a good average for the standard (non-HO) is between 120 and 135 psi but perhaps someone else has the official numbers. |
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For parts you ask? Well, waaaaaaay too much of my hard-earned ca$h goes to www.SummitRacing.com
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Yes, there's always summit for the generic Ford parts. For more marine or Correct Craft specific - aside from the ever popular skidim or NautiqueParts - you could try some of these:
marineparts discountmarine ebasicpower cpperformance I;ve bought items from each of them and a few others. All are reputable and for the most part competitively priced. |
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Back in a post from August, you tested cold and got about 112 across the board. Is it safe to assume this was with all plugs out, throttle and choke open and a well charged battery.
It would probably be higher warm, but not a whole big bunch. Some people have no issues with doing a cold test You have consistency from cylinder to cylinder, that's a good thing. Gauge accuracy will come into play too. Your gauge may read 112 and another may read 125 just for example And another may read low in comparison. Why don't you test your good running 79 engine cold just to give you something to compare numbers to? The engines are basically the same, had same compression ratio around 8.3 to 1 from the factory. That comparison will give you a good idea of how things are To me your 112 cold is not great, not terrible but pretty decent. It wouldn't cause any big running issues |
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Update:
Rechecked Compression and got 125-130 on all. |
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I'll try here ,but may repost.
I'm assuming the 83 engines had a 4160 Holley. 1st question-Where to find rebuild kit, my parts guy told me good luck with that...... 2nd question- Should I do a rebuild or replace. 3rd question- What would I replace with? |
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John, Where have you been shopping? Autozone? I just googled rebuild kits for 4160's and got 84,200 results!! You defiantly need a new parts guy. |
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Agree but I think he was "cornfused" as I asked for a marine kit.... When he has the parts I get a Hellava discount.
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I don't feel he was confused but rather ignorant on carbs. Did he even ask you for the list # that's stamped on the horn of the carb? If he didn't, then he certainly isn't confused. The list # pretty much determines the kit used. I'm sure Ken will be along and can fill in the blanks that I'm sure I've missed. |
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OK, I'll look at the list # tomorrow as it is storming here.
Is it a easy rebuild as last carb. I did was a 1 barrel on my tractor |
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If you can post what the list number is on the air horn of the carb it should be pretty easy to get a Holley kit number that your parts guy could get for you. See the picture for the list number location I was gonna pick on Pete's spelling of definitely but thought I'd let it slide |
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For the cost of a kit it's worth giving it a shot as compared to paying somebody else or getting another carburetor.. It's a little more complicated than a 1 barrel on a tractor but not bad. |
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We get lazy with spell check don't we! If the spelling doesn't come up wrong, most like myself think everything is definitely correct!
Ken, What's going on with you today since you held off picking on me? Are you worn out from kicking your dog too much? |
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Just resting up Pete
I spent the day building dipsticks |
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Wow, find a new parts guy. Helluva discount up front doesn’t mean much if you have to do it twice. A compression check “should” be done warm but I’d be more concerned with all 8 cylinders being within 10% of each other rather cold vs. warm. FWIW I did a compression check last week on my Honda outboard, 120 cold, 160 hot.
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So back to your compression check from today 125 to 130 on all 8.
There's nuthin' to be concerned about with those numbers just to put it in plain, easily understandable English |
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So John, were did you find this "parts guy"? |
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Here is the only thing I found ..
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75009-1 or whatever the last digit is is all you need. That's the list number. Have your parts guy order a kit for that. If you don't have any luck post back here.
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Found it from Holley.com,
Thanks JT |
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I know this will sound stupid, but as I said know enough about engines to get myself in trouble.
Was removing parts off engine and found 2 water pumps-1 looks normal the other is down bottom left if looking at motor...... Question should I replace or just try and clean them up. The one on top looks pretty rusty on the inside. I haven't gotten to the bottom one yet? |
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The upper one is the circulating pump which gets fed by the raw water pump that you haven't got to yet.
If you took the upper one apart enough to see the impeller inside of it, it will definitely be rusty. Not unusual The impeller on an original pump on a PCM 351 is made of cast iron not anything more exotic like stainless steel.or bronze like some people think Here's a picture of one from the mid 80's next to a new automotive one with a stamped steel impeller If it spins smoothly and doesn't leak it probably doesn't need to be replaced The marine backing plate is stainless steel and the automotive one is regular old steel that rusts |
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Is it a regular type waterpump you buy for auto's?
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Here is what my 2 look like.
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I'd reuse the circ pump if it spins smoothly and there's no sign of seal leakage.
I'd reuse the raw water pump with a new impeller at a minimum or you can find a overhaul kit with everything needed to rebuild it if you want to do that. There are threads on here about rebuilds. Everything except a hydraulic press and some tools that is |
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I think I will clean up and replace the impeller on the raw water pump as there is no slop in the bearings, for now. Unless I can't clean up the pulley, which shows some rust.
I looked for some rebuild threads , no luck. I probably not entering it right |
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The brass wear plate on the RWP can be flipped over to get a fresh running surface. Someone may have done this already tho . . .
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Will check and see if I can tell. Thanks |
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