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81nautique 
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 Posted: February-12-2020 at 3:59pm |
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Quinner, Hollywood, Swanny and our skiing buddy Christian stopped by Saturday so we got the boat flipped. Went with the tried and true method used on the Hurricane by building a box around the hull and flipped 90 degrees at a time. Pretty straight forward with no drama. I almost cut that limb off the tree last year for fear of it coming down in a wind storm, looks like it will have to stay at least until we flip it back over.
   Only real problem we had was Hollywood drinking Bone's Coors Light  Thanks again for the help guys. I'm booked for the next couple of weekends so might be a little while before I get back with a bottom report. |
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81nautique
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Posted: February-21-2020 at 11:06am |
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Well bad news on the boat bottom, yes it had a fairly nice 5200 bottom put on it about 10-12 years ago and is still quite solid but after flipping the boat last week we found a good portion of the bottom planks are soaked completely through with oil. I mean saturated with oil, this motor must have been leaking quarts and it was never repaired so a nice solid bottom job is ruined. The fact that the bottom was done was a major factor in buying this boat so it's a shame. I've now changed my view on any old wood boat, after getting screwed on the last one we did that was supposed to have a recent bottom and now this one that did have a recent bottom but was still not serviceable I'll proceed with the assumption that any boat in need of restoring also needs a full bottom job. Still feel this was a good buy but it's obviously going to take a lot more than we thought to get it done.
Anyway, with that said, after grinding some paint off last week we found the oil soaked planks. before giving up completely I put a couple coats of CPES on one plank and when that set up I tried some Primer just to see what would happen. After a week away I'm back from vacation and the primer is still tacky, It's just not going to cure and there are spots where the oil is seeping right through the paint. Only thing we can do now is go into damage control mode and pull a few planks off tomorrow to see how much of the bottom we have to replace. My concern is the inner ply is just as saturated and if so then we might as well pull the entire bottom off. Next will be the condition of the frame members, if they're soaked then they'll have to be replaced too. It's a house of cards at this point so stay tuned. I'm down but not out, just disappointed in adding another season to getting this back on the water.   I'd love to save the parts near the chines and the stem but just won't know until we pull it apart, not even sure how I'd do a partial repair yet. |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: February-21-2020 at 11:37am |
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Alan,
Give the oil dry-Toluene or Xylene poultice a try to see if it will suck the oil out. It's worked for me. How are the bottom fastenings? Still a solid hold into the frames? |
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67 ski nat
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Posted: February-21-2020 at 12:05pm |
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I’ve really been enjoying watching your work
Feel bummed for you too But hang in there, cheer up you have great skills to fix damage I’m sure everyone here is behind you too |
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81nautique
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Posted: February-21-2020 at 1:00pm |
Fastenings are solid Pete but I can't imagine anything is going to pull this much oil out. The oil has begun to soften the 5200, it is gooey in some of the seams so I can only imagine it's going bad between the bottom layers too. It's really a shame, |
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Posted: February-21-2020 at 5:51pm |
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O Brother, Where Art Thou
The Joy of Constant Sorrow New Boat Name: "Soggy Bottom" |
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67 ski nat
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Posted: February-22-2020 at 7:43am |
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It’s to soon to joke about it
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Riley
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Posted: February-22-2020 at 10:56am |
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I'd love to save the parts near the chines and the stem but just won't know until we pull it apart, not even sure how I'd do a partial repair yet. [/QUOTE] Too bad about the last one. I've found Correct Craft people to be to be generally very honest. With this one, was there no signs of the oil due to the bilge and bottom paint? |
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81nautique
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Posted: February-24-2020 at 10:55am |
I didn't mean to imply that this boat was misrepresented. The seller said it had a 5200 bottom and it does. No malice on his part. To your question, yes the bilge was oily but I was not prepared for how much or how far it traveled through the bottom. Some of this issue goes to the shop that installed the bottom. Did they seal everything with Cpes before installing I don't know, certainly doesn't appear that they did or if they did it wasn't sufficient. Anyway, live and learn. I have ordered an output shaft seal for the Hurricane because it drips a little oil, I hate the thought of pulling that engine again but I can't let it ruin that boat. Back to my point about wood boats. going forward I will assume any 60+ year old wood boat's bottom will need replacement much like an original 80's Ski Nautique will need stringers. No progress this weekend as I spent a good portion of it working my real job. 
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Posted: February-24-2020 at 11:29am |
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81nautique
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Posted: March-05-2020 at 10:09am |
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Got back to the boat for a few hours last weekend and made some progress removing the outer bottom planks. Went at it with a plunge router and it really isn't that bad of a job, just a little messy. I tried to route down and skim into the plywood but it is secured with brass ring nails so I had to go as close as I could and then trim off the 5200 with a multi tool. I found those nails the hard way. Good news is once I got the old 5200 removed it appears that the plywood layer is in pretty good shape. Seems that the plywood was treated with cpes and has very little if any staining from the oil as far as I can see right now. Best guess is the oil followed the screws down through the ply and into the old planks, notice any planks that were replaced when the new bottom went on are not soaked. I'm thinking these wet planks were already in bad shape and should have never gone back on the boat.
Plan this weekend is to go at it full force and just route off anything that is soaked. Looks like 4 planks on each side from just about strut to stem and the outer keel layer will have to go as well. So lots of work to do but all things considered the best scenario I could have hoped for.  
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Kristof
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Posted: March-09-2020 at 3:41pm |
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Always a relief to find out things are not as bad as they first seem... Even though it might still be a lot of work, it is also a lot less work.
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81nautique
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Posted: January-11-2021 at 12:10pm |
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Time for an update, obviously 2020 went completely off the rails for just about everyone and I hope all made it through without too much difficulty.
Dana and I were no exception and although our entire family remained healthy boating was on the bottom of the priority list this year. I only splashed a boat one time and that was the day we sold the Hurricane, our 200 never left the storage unit this year. Being overly occupied with the business, the poor Collegian didn't even get a glance all summer. I thought about tarping it and putting out of sight for a few years as I just lost all interest in it. This weekend I finally mustered up enough ambition to get back to work. I've been dreading this because I knew when I stopped in March that I was fooling myself in thinking any of that bottom could be saved. I was seeing so much damage from the oil soaking that I just didn't want to believe what was ahead of me so I stopped. So here's where we are after a day and a half back at it. I've pulled most of the bottom off, first picture is of the outer keel cap, it is so soaked it is completely black with oil. The inner keel is no better showing rot at the prop shaft hole and black as night throughout. The keel will get replaced up to the stem.    And here's where I ended up. I'm going to have to replace the chines, they are nice and solid but since there's no oil there the 5200 will just not come off without damaging them. I spent more time working on saving the chines than it would take to replace them. Will be nice and solid by the time I'm ready to put the new bottom on.  |
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8122pbrainard
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Posted: January-11-2021 at 12:41pm |
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Alan,
Do you know who did the bottom? There are "restorer's" out there that will do back yard jobs but was this one of them or was it the owner doing a DIY project?
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81nautique
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Posted: January-11-2021 at 1:01pm |
I won't state who it was Pete but it was done by a boat shop. The crazy thing about this is the keel was definitely wet before they did the bottom, maybe not as bad as it is now but it was wet. They did a pretty decent job building a new stem but they didn't replace the keel and did a half assed job repairing a mushy transom. The frames are wet as well and there will be few I have to replace. I don't quite understand the thinking in not replacing any wet wood, it's the least expensive part of the job. In any case, I'm over it. I am even considering putting new topside planks on now instead of reusing the old ones. This has gone as far back as the Hurricane went so saving a few dollars on old planking doesn't make sense. Might take me a few years longer than I though but this is a good looking little boat and with a little more experience under my belt now should really turn out good.
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Posted: January-11-2021 at 1:25pm |
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Alan,
I was hoping it was a PO DIY job. It's sad when you see something like this from someone who probabaly avertises themselves as profesionals.
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81nautique
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Posted: January-25-2021 at 1:28pm |
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A little more disassembly. 5200 doesn't stick to oil. The keel was junk when they did the bottom and it should have been replaced. Looks like they tried to seal it with epoxy and re-install it. A new Mahogany keel cost me $70 bucks so I don't understand the thinking behind reusing it.
I picked up some lumber Saturday for the bottom frames, I'm going to replace 7 of them. Unfortunetly I had to get white oak as my local shop didn't have what I needed in Mahogany due to pandemic related supply issues. The white oak is heavy and hard as a rock but it will do the job fine, just a little more difficult to work with. So the photos tell the story. Notice how the strut block was never even touching the keel, the 5200 is untouched. The block was also held in place with one common nail on each side instead of screws and that was a factory item. you can also see how the keel popped right off at the frames and the 5200 wasn't sticking to anything, again the keel should have never been reused.   So are shims used to adjust wedges?  You can see where they coated the frames with epoxy before putting the new bottom on. Notice there's no 5200 on the frames, it just pulled right off.  Where it did stick out towards the chines the frames broke away during demo so as I stated I'm going to replace all the frames  Fitting the new keel.  And first frame removed.
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Posted: January-25-2021 at 6:09pm |
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Ugh
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81nautique
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Posted: February-01-2021 at 11:47am |
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Making progress, 3 frames down 4 to go. Not a terribly difficult job just time consuming to get them fitted properly. I'm making them out of a single piece instead of the two piece set up the factory used. I'm not really sure why they do it that way although I'm thinking it may have been to save lumber as there is a little more waste making them as one piece.
The trade off is strength though, the new ones are pretty darn stout, The old 2 piece ones really just fall apart once you take them out of the boat and the wonderful piece of joinery on the prop shaft pass through is a marvel. That is not factory and was probably butchered when the bottom was replaced. So here's this weeks photos, still a bit of a mess but there is a lot of progress. Old vs new keel.  prop shaft frame     |
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Posted: February-01-2021 at 12:57pm |
  I may just have to come up for weekend with a case of beer or two and just watch you work your Magic. Awesome stuff Alan. You sir are a master craftsman! Drive on Man! 
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Posted: February-03-2021 at 10:42am |
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Little side project I forgot about until I stumbled on the photo today. When we were rebuilding Todd's 55 Commuter we worked on it in a room in his barn which was the home to quite a few barn cats. The boat got so darn full of cat hair I started calling the boat "Hairball". I was overruled when it came time to officially name the boat and it became 'Sunday Drive" but to me she will always be "Hairball" .
When we removed the transom off this boat we were able to save most of it so I secretly brought it down to the basement for a makeover and presented it to Todd and Renee for some wall art in the toy shed.  |
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Posted: February-03-2021 at 10:56am |
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this is awesome! Definitely a lot of cats!
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Posted: February-03-2021 at 11:02am |
 
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"Morfoot; He can ski. He can wakeboard.He can cook chicken.He can create his own self-named beverage, & can also apparently fly. A man of many talents."72 Mustang "Kermit",88 SN Miss Scarlett, 99 SN "Sherman"
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Posted: February-03-2021 at 4:25pm |
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very nice
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Posted: February-04-2021 at 9:49am |
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Copper exhaust ports to finish it off??
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Posted: February-04-2021 at 11:15am |
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Well played Alan !
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Posted: February-09-2021 at 4:52pm |
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Moving along, 1 frame left to build then on to the strut support block. I'll get everything Cpes'd and then install the keel for good. Dana worked with me Saturday and we knocked out quite a bit. Frames are faired in pretty close and will get a final look as we get closer to plywood bottom layer.
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Posted: February-10-2021 at 5:53am |
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You're a glutton for punishment Magicman. Must be bitterly cold in Illinois but I guess since y'all can't go anywhere!
 Keep up the good work!
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Posted: February-12-2021 at 10:20am |
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Looking great Magic... !!!!
Moj'
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Posted: February-14-2021 at 9:10pm |
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Alan, Amazing work
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