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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Good afternoon all,
My family is looking to possibly purchase a 1997 Air Nautique. I've looked at the 1997 brochure and don't see an "Air" Nautique, but a Sport Nautique. Is there such a thing as a 1997 Air Nautique, or are these just new graphics? It's open bow, has the 5.8 EFI 310 hp GT-40 direct drive. It's listed for $14.5k with all new interior and sound system, new tires, new prop and factory tower (which I can't tell if it's collapsable or not). Thanks for any advice! Matt |
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Welcome aboard Matt. And yes, you're correct. The Sport Nautiques of that era were available with options such as: Wakeboard tower, taller pylon and ballast tanks. "Air Nautique graphics were also installed. My '99 Sport was set up just this way. See pic of my previous 'Sport'. The tower does fold forward by removing the aft mounting bolts. The tower then folds forward to the bow, where the cross bar rests on a rubber pad, as I recall. Not suitable to tow in this configuration, unless you strap the forward, but easy enough to swing forward for storage. Sounds like a reasonable deal for what you're looking at, depending upon hours on the boat. ![]() |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Ultrarunner,
Thanks for the reply and the welcome!!! I really appreciate that clarity. The listing doesn't indicate the engine hours, but I'm talking to the gentleman on the phone later today and probably going down to look at/test run it this weekend. From the pics, and maintenance he mentions, it seems pretty well taken care of. I'm actually more wary of low hours on an older boat. I''d rather it have been run and taken care of than sit, also just feel like someone is lying to me when they have a 20-year old boat with 300 hours. What hour range would you (or anyone else with knowledge) think is a good range for the $14.5K price on a 1997? Also, for anyone who might know, I currently have a 1988 SN 2001 (she needs restored and know one in my family wants to spend the time and money on that - new stringers and engine needs some work due to an unnamed family member running her too hot) how would the slalom wake compare? We ski courses occasionally and free ski like there is a course there (haha) - all of us run at 34-36 mph. Thanks again for any advice! Matt |
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Low hour boats from the north are common. When I purchased my '99, it was 10 years old and had 300-350 hours on it. The southern boats will have more hours, but these motors can go a long time!
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Matt, prices seem to be all over the place. And a cursory look at some recent ads on this site will show an approximate value range. Prices have come down the last few years, and folks still will generally pay a bit more for a lower hour boat. With that being said, a new interior on a Sport is every bit of 6 grand, from C & S Marine. I"d want to know if this boat has C & S skins, or done at a local shop. Big difference. Single axle or dual axle original steel trailer, or an aftermarket galvanized? Another big price swing. Perfect Pass or Zero Off? That's a pricey upgrade.
What some folks would pay a bit more for, others would not, i.e, someone that trailers everyday might like that nice dual axle trailer, as opposed to someone that will keep it on a lift year round. If you like, post a link to the ad with some pics of the boat. Folks on here will be happy to give you an objective opinion. Really nice folks even offer to go take a look, if the boat isn't local to you ![]() Again, with a high quality trailer in excellent condition, a new-ish looking boat that has been well cared for, with say under 1000 hours, and a quality CC new interior, PP or ZO, 14k is not unreasonable. Also, the Sports changed the decks a couple years later, I believe '99 was the first year for the large aft storage locker, and more of a 'walk-through' to the bow. Both those appeal to some vs. the earlier generation. Keep us posted Matt and shoot us the link to the boat so we can take a look. Mark |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Mark,
Thanks for the added points to look into. Here is a link to the listing https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/184251422902190/?surface=product_details It's on Facebook, so hopefully anyone who wants to access it to comment can. The trailer is single axle and aftermarket, but that is not a huge issue to me. I'd prefer double, but it's not a deal breaker. From looking at the pictures of the dash, there does not appear to be a zero-off or PP. With all that, I'm very willing to be talked off the boat by those in the know. I know my '88 very well. But trying to discern all the hulls, engines, electronic issues of these newer boats and engines, potential transmission issues, etc., has my head spinning. I'm am most certainly appreciative for any help you great folks can offer. We are slalom skiers; us parents paying for the boat. Our kids would love to wakeboard and surf, but they aren't paying for it and quite honestly, we adults ski way harder than these kids will ever wakeboard. So the slalom wake matters a lot, but we really do want the most versatile boat and the wives are all wanting an open bow. Please pour your knowledge in to me (as I'm stuck being the researcher and boat finder). All the best and thanks in advance! Matt |
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Hey Matt, I took a look at the ad. Definitely a Florida boat. My guess is it spent a fair amount of time outside, judging by how faded the dash pod appears to be. Likely the reason for the new interior. History of ownership?
The tower appears aftermarket, but not necessarily a bad thing. Interesting it's advertised as a factory tower, as it's definitely different. Maybe you could spec your own. But if the boat delivered with the factory FC-1 tower, I'd take a look at what was done with original forward and aft mounts, as the town shown is mounted in different places than the original FC-1 tower. Did they just take the mounts off and leave the blank mounting holes? See the pic of my previous boat on the aft mount location. GT-40 is a good motor. How many hours? Service history? Any salt or brackish? I'd say it might be a bit overpriced, If it has a ton of hours on it and always sat in the sun...way less....again, depending on how it looks, condition, etc...when you see it.....keep us posted. Mark |
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cboland ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July-15-2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Status: Offline Points: 185 |
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Matt,
I upgraded from an ‘88 SN 2001 to a ‘99 Sport Nautique last year so I am familiar with what you’re looking at doing. The added room of the Sport compared to the ‘88 is very nice. It’s a very solid boat that still drives like a ski boat. 1998 was the first year they added a trunk to the back of the boat (between rear seat and the platform) and it SIGNIFICANTLY increases the onboard storage. The ‘97 you’re looking at does not have that so keep that in mind. The interiors of these boats are very expensive, so make sure you won’t need to invest in pieces anytime soon or negotiate that in. The GT40 is awesome, but it is definitely more sophisticated than the carb’d motor in your ‘88. If you do your own engine work understand that troubleshooting issues is a bit more complicated and with these engines now over 20 years old, the various sensors and electronic component can start to go bad, even on low hour boats. |
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KENO ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() Joined: June-06-2004 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 11189 |
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Somebody finally acknowledged that elephant in the room ![]() The "I'm having trouble with my gt40" threads get more numerous every year and without the right diagnostic tools life gets tough and aggravating. So for Matt, do a search on here about gt40 issues and you'll have lots of reading with long multiple page threads before you decide. |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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You just have to get the jump on everyone and start hording test equipment before the word gets out. Pennies on the dollar for what this stuff cost back when it was current.
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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All,
Thank you for the wonderful advise and years of wisdom! I’ve tried to reach out the the gentleman about the boat, and were playing phone tag right now. There is another boat I found on here which from the one pic and description sounds great. He has someone who offered to buy it, but it might fall through. Price seems a tad high, but I don’t know with all the extras and how nice it looks. Don’t have any other pics yet, but what does this group think? http://www.correctcraftfan.com/forsale/details.asp?ID=9719&sort=&pagenum=1 If the link doesn’t work, it’s the 1994 SNOB for sale. Thanks again! Matt |
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Jonny Quest ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: August-20-2013 Location: Utah--via Texas Status: Offline Points: 3009 |
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Don't be scared of the Black/White 1994 SNOB in Lousiana. Per the post, it only has 488 hours and has been garage kept. If you are currently running a 2001 series hull, the "slant back" hull (NWZ) will be a nice improvement in slalom wakes.
I'm a little bit biased as my boat is a 1994 SNOB. JQ |
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2003 Ski Nautique 206 Limited Previous 2001 Ski Nautique Open Bow 1994 Ski Nautique Open Bow Aqua skiing, ergo sum |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Thanks re the SNOB. It looks beautiful, but waiting on more pics.
Here is another we are looking at. We kind of have it narrowed down to the two above and this one. https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2896978927054717/ This is a 1997, and interior looks great. Seller has been very honest and upfront. Low hours and new injectors installed, fresh water only and garage kept. Again, I really appreciate everyone’s insight, help and guidance, especially on price and value we might be getting for that price. |
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Matt, posting links that are clickable is pretty easy, would make it easier for others, just click the link tab and it will tell you what to do.
Anyway, you are looking at '97 Sports and a '94 SNOB. All will have better wakes than your 2001. If it was me, and of course I'm biased because I have a '98 Sport, I would look for '98 and up Sports. As several mentioned above, that trunk is a huge difference in stowing gear for a day on the water with a few adults and a few kids. All the life jackets, cushions, anchor, lines and fenders, etc. will all fit in there and you can fit a cooler and towels and backpacks too. It's huge. For slalom we try to empty it out because on these hulls the slalom wake is MUCH better with as little weight in the boat and as little fuel as possible in the tank. I've never been in a SNOB, have read that they are a tradeoff of a not very useful bow area that makes you lose cockpit space. Hope this helps. |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Sorry about the links, I though they were clickable. Doing this on my phone so learning to navigate everything. I’ll be sure to fix that if I post any other links.
Thanks for the info. Haven’t seen any 1998s pop up in my searches, but I’ll keep an eye out. Interesting point about the SNOBs bow. Any others any here have any more insight as to the SNOB bow? I know someone mentioned they own a SNOB, but my phone isn’t letting me see the whole thread to tag that person. Again, ya’ll have been tremendous! Thank you so much! |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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All,
We are leaving this week to travel and see a beautiful 1997 sport nautique, the one linked above. The seller sent us video walk throughs and the gel coat is perfect and the interior is like brand new, they are C&S skins. 442 fresh water hours. We’ve agreed on $14,500 if we like it upon seeing it. I’ll let you know if we pick it up and post some pictures. If it falls through, there is a 1998 Sport Nautique that we’ve lined up and I told the owner we were looking at another boat, but if that fell through we would be moving on his. At the end of the day, 97 had a tower and 98 didn’t and the color scheme on the 98 didn’t satisfy all in the family. Thank you everyone in here for your help and advice! It made this process so much smoother! |
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Hi Matt, don't underestimate Bud's comments above re: the 98-later Sports with the larger rear trunk. Having previously owned a '99, I can agree. With that said, unless you absolutely have a need to carry a ton of gear, the slant-back should serve you well. IMO, the SNOB's OB is not a place for two adults and a long day on the water.
Just an FYI also, the earlier gen Sports you're looking at have a slightly different couch that takes a curved jump seat. It's nice to have to allow a second person on the couch. Let us know how it goes. Mark |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Thanks Mark, and everyone else who commented. We really did take the trunk into account but the storage isn't a huge issue for us. We typically go to a lake for 2 weeks and have places on shore for storage, so we don't need to be able to haul everything for a 1-day excursion. And even on those days, just having a board rack on the tower and ski locker will be a huge improvement over our 1988.
At the end of the day, when you're coordinating 8 different people on a boat to buy together, it is pretty difficult to find that boat that meets everyone's needs/wants. I wanted the 1998, others didn't. What I'm losing in the trunk I can live with and the boat we decided on had 300 less hours and is just a better looking boat. That made everyone else happy. We leave Thursday afternoon to drive up 10 hours north, see it in person with cash in hand and if we like, we will head home with it. If we do, I'll post pics and or videos if I can. If not, then I will keep on looking I guess. All the best to everyone! Matt |
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burban65 ![]() Senior Member ![]() Joined: June-22-2008 Location: NW Indiana Status: Offline Points: 167 |
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Matt if you do not end up getting the 97 PM me as I have another lead for you to check out before you go with your second options.
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Hey Matt, did you look at the '97 just south of Orlando that's in the for sale section here? Looks to be a good value with the recent work.
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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If you mean the forest green one, yes. The consensus the the buying party didn’t like the color.
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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That's too bad. I'd look the other way on any color for all-new running gear in a heart beat! Also meant to mention the one in KY is the first one I can recall seeing with Chevy 350. Didn't even know they offered it. Or, is it typo? |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Yeah, I would too, but I’m not buying this myself. It’s a family boat being split between my folks, brothers and sisters. Have to find the right balance between all those people and color matters to some in the group and their money is just as green as mine, so they get a say.
It’s a GT-40 engine. Has C&S skins, gel coat is perfect and interior is perfect. He sent us 15 different videos walking around every angle of the boat and starting it up cold. All in all, it checked all the boxes for everyone chipping in. If I had my own $15k in cash right now, I would have picked a different boat, but In these times, I’m not spending a large chunk of my emergency fund to buy a boat for myself when we all always use it together anyhow. I can settle and be happy with the 1997, as it will be better than what we have. If in 2 years we are all in a diff place financially, I trust we will have gotten our value out of this boat and then move on to something a little newer and with more storage. I took all your comments and knowledge and lobbied hard for a 1998, just couldn’t find one that made the group happy as a whole. Such is life. It’s a Nautique after all, it’s not like we’re making a bad decision. We not buying a MC ;-) I’ll let you know if we bring her home. Hitting the road in the am. Thanks again everyone!! |
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Yeah, I get all that Matt, you've got a large group to contend with. But all-in-all, a plenty inexpensive way to get into a good boat. When are you headed to TN? Sounds like a good one there too.
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Leaving bright and early tomorrow morning.
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Hi gents,
Quick question regarding HIN. I know the last 4 characters indicate the year built. If it says 95, would that make it a 95 model, 96, or could it be a 97? |
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Gary S ![]() Grand Poobah ![]() ![]() Joined: November-30-2006 Location: Illinois Status: Offline Points: 14096 |
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Actual model year, in the example below it's an 1988 model built in April of 88
Go down til you see boats made after August 1 1984 or later in that link- Look for this - ABC 12345 D8 88 link |
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Mcdees84 ![]() Newbie ![]() Joined: July-06-2019 Location: Florida Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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Yeah, the HIN on this boat is CTC54046H495
So am I correct that it’s a 1995 model, built in March 1995? |
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Hey Matt, look at your decoder and see what month it was built. That'll tell you. |
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ultrarunner ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October-02-2005 Location: Ridgefield, Ct. Status: Offline Points: 1867 |
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Matt, here is what your looking at:
CTC (manufacture) 6808x (production serial num.) L5 (month and year built) 96 (marketed year) So, in the example above, my boat, the "L" corresponds to a December build, and the "5" indicates the build was in 1995. And obviously 'sold' as a 1996 model-year boat. |
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