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    Posted: May-14-2020 at 4:08pm
Help with the wiring on the 83 Nav Lights. I get the Stern light or the Bow light to come on not both.
I have been using this diagram and replaced switches-
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John,
Note the nav. light switch is a 3 position. I position is off. 2nd position is aft all around only and the 3rd position is both bow and aft.
BTW, they are wired that way for the "at anchor" aft light only position.


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Found this little thing to be bad. Tried a jumper but can only get both to come on, so I may have a bad or wrong type switch.
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If you rotate the picture below it'll tell you what you need to know about what kind of switch to get and how to wire it so you have bow, instrument and stern lights when flipped one way and just the stern light when flipped the other way

It's just a hand drawn little section of your diagram above   

It's tough to make out what your switch is in the picture and that little "bad" thing might be a diode which isn't necessary with the right switch wired per the diagram.




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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

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Just noticed in drawing the switch has 6 poles mine has only 5-Might be the problem
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All you need is 5. Note the one terminal in the diagram does nothing. It's not connected to anything. What switch di you buy? It should be a DP 3T

John, As I mentioned before, maybe it is time to rip out and start over?


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

All you need is 5. Note the one terminal in the diagram does nothing. It's not connected to anything. What switch di you buy? It should be a DP 3T

John, As I mentioned before, maybe it is time to rip out and start over?


NO can do , it's a $$ issue now. Have to run with what I got. the main things are working fine Engine,Blower, Bilge Pump and Lights(just can't run just one)
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and Lights(just can't run just one)
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John,
You mentioned you replaced the switch, didn't know if it's correct but never mentioned what switch you have. What ever you bought, you just can't go by the terminal layout pictured in the diagram as switch terminals can be different. I suggest using the VOM on the switch to identify what terminals go to what contacts then proceed with wiring.

What switch do you have?


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Originally posted by jterr jterr wrote:

and Lights(just can't run just one)
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John,
You mentioned you replaced the switch, didn't know if it's correct but never mentioned what switch you have. What ever you bought, you just can't go by the terminal layout pictured in the diagram as switch terminals can be different. I suggest using the VOM on the switch to identify what terminals go to what contacts then proceed with wiring.

What switch do you have?


On Off On looks like this
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On Off On looks like this


QUOTE=8122pbrainard] . I suggest using the VOM on the switch to identify what terminals go to what contacts then proceed with wiring. [/QUOTE]

I suspect the center single terminal is common to both sides but, check continuity in all 3 switch positions and get back.


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Originally posted by jterr jterr wrote:

I may have a bad or wrong type switch.

John,
Are you having any problems with checking continuity of the switch? Is there any identification on the switch? Manufacturer and part number? If so, post the info and I'll try to get the specs on it.


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Use KENO's description.   DPDT switch is what you need.
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Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

Use KENO's description.   DPDT switch is what you need.

Duane,
A "DT" switch doesn't have a off position like a 3T. You're as bad with switch terminology as Ken!


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

Use KENO's description.   DPDT switch is what you need.

Duane,
A "DT" switch doesn't have a off position like a 3T. You're as bad with switch terminology as Ken!


Umm Pete

It's time for you to bone up a little on your switch terminology.

Why don't you google a DPDT on-off-on switch   

You might learn a little something or maybe you'll tell us the whole switching industry is wrong ............in your opinion of course.
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JT

Pete's out boning himself up on switch terminology so in the meantime I figured I'd put a few things together to show you how to wire the switch like in the CC diagram

First picture shows the switch wiring. Purple is power into the 2 center terminals and the gray wires are to the bow light and stern light.

You can see that 5 terminals are used and one has nothing hooked to it.

Second picture, you can use your imagination a little. 2 trailer marker lamps were used.

Call the one with the cover your bow light and the one without the cover your stern light.

Switch is in the OFF position and neither light is lit.

Third picture, the switch is flipped one way and just the stern light is lit

Fourth picture, the switch is flipped the other way and both the bow and stern lights are lit (and in your boat, all the instrument lights would be lit too)

So like mentioned earlier, ask for a DPDT on off on switch, wire it like the pictures and the diagram and you'll have power where you want it.

Listen to Duane

I'm sure Pete will be along to expound on the differences in the switches and terminology   

BTW none of this little rig is up to Pete's lofty standards. I didn't use tinned marine wire or marine heat shrink tubing, just some cheap crimps and wire that was hanging around just to mention a couple of examples. But you get the point    or points.







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[QUOTE=KENO] JT


Got it already found the correct switch (DPDT Toggle) its on the way.
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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Duane,
A "DT" switch doesn't have a off position like a 3T. You're as bad with switch terminology as Ken!


A DPDT switch certainly does have a center off. You better go back to stacking 2X4's and surrender your EE Degree (if it exists). Sounds like back yard hackery to me
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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

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Pete's out boning himself up on switch terminology so in the meantime I figured I'd put a few things together to show you how to wire the switch like in the CC diagram


No, just internet problems in the Northwoods of Wisconsin.

Switches with the DP3T contact designation:

From one of the largest electronics distributors in the world

From C&K DP3T

Buy one on Ebay

There's even a youtube on DP3T's

So now what? Boning up for Ken and Duane?


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by Duane in Indy Duane in Indy wrote:

Use KENO's description.   DPDT switch is what you need.

Duane,
A "DT" switch doesn't have a off position like a 3T. You're as bad with switch terminology as Ken!


Since you appear to be fairly ignorant and trying to avoid the existence of a DPDT on off on switch here's a link from the same place you linked for your DP3T   

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So now you can get boned up and tell us all about that middle off position.

Or maybe your "selective memory loss" kicks in and you just try to ignore this whole thing
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Since you appear to be fairly ignorant and trying to avoid the existence of a DPDT on off on switch here's a link from the same place you linked for your DP3T   

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So now you can get boned up and tell us all about that middle off position.

Or maybe your "selective memory loss" kicks in and you just try to ignore this whole thing


Aren't we both correct on the terminology?

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Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

JT

First picture shows the switch wiring. Purple is power into the 2 center terminals and the gray wires are to the bow light and stern light.

You can see that 5 terminals are used and one has nothing hooked to it.

Second picture, you can use your imagination a little. 2 trailer marker lamps were used.

Call the one with the cover your bow light and the one without the cover your stern light.

Switch is in the OFF position and neither light is lit.

Third picture, the switch is flipped one way and just the stern light is lit

Fourth picture, the switch is flipped the other way and both the bow and stern lights are lit (and in your boat, all the instrument lights would be lit too)









Another great presentation Ken. Now I hope John can get his nav lights working.


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Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:



Since you appear to be fairly ignorant and trying to avoid the existence of a DPDT on off on switch here's a link from the same place you linked for your DP3T   

link

So now you can get boned up and tell us all about that middle off position.

Or maybe your "selective memory loss" kicks in and you just try to ignore this whole thing


Aren't we both correct on the terminology?

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Ken,
There's no doubt in my mind why you were kicked out of that other site.




I guess you couldn't just say we were both correct yesterday    I think you did some learnin'

And speaking of this "other site" .........what is this "other site"? Here's the quote and lack of answer from you back in the water pump thread. It looks like you ignored it twice already

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by KENO KENO wrote:

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Ken,
There's no doubt in my mind why you were kicked out of that other site.


We'll give you a big WTF on this comment Pete

Explain yourself


Pete..............You must have missed this so here it is again

Note...............this is where Pete's "selective memory loss" kicks in

   

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[/QUOTE] Switches with the DP3T contact designation:

From one of the largest electronics distributors in the world

From C&K DP3T

Buy one on Ebay

There's even a youtube on DP3T's [/QUOTE]


[/QUOTE] So now what? Boning up for Ken and Duane?[/QUOTE]

Pete, While you were being so quick to condemn OUR terminology you again posted an error.   Explain to us why you would suggest a momentary contact switch that you would have to hold in the   (ON)   position when you wanted the light to be on. Seems kinda tiring to me, especially on long trips.
Switches that denote (ON) in parenthesis are MOMENTARY switches
Now that we all know which switch he needs, can we please put this to bed?.

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Can't put it to bed quite yet Duane

I wanna hear what site I was banned from.    
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Can't put it to bed quite yet Duane

I wanna hear what site I was banned from.    


    Good luck with that. That is just one of MANY unanswered questions
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I can't for the life of me figure out why, but I suddenly have the urge to watch "Grumpy Old Men" tonight.

I have an editorial comment to make. I feel qualified to make it since I'm not all that sharp on technical stuff so nobody is going to accuse me of knowing too much!

This site is awesome, always has been. We can have some project boat from 20 years ago or 50 years ago and ask a question, and the answers will be excellent and helpful and also, importantly, acknowledge that most of us are on a budget and want to solve our problems without spending a ton to do so. Honestly, best forum for problem solving I've ever been on.

So we have a group of incredibly experienced, interested, helpful, decent people that chime in to help out. The best of the best is a small group, we all know the names, some post regularly, some not as often any more, but are there when needed. I'm not talking 3 or 4, more like a group of 30-ish off the top of my head,

So when there are posts that are trying to help someone, and god forbid some detail isn't quite perfectly accurate, can we back down from the criticism a bit? Light hearted kidding is a staple of the site, but taking someone who is trying to help and picking apart their effort ends up being counterproductive. It's fine to correct an error, or offer a different suggestion, but why not stop there, not try to beat down the guy that is trying to help?

Feel free to toss stones back at me, I'm hard to offend! I'm really just trying to suggest that we want an environment where tons of people post without worrying about being told they are wrong. Thank you for listening, I hope this is taken in good spirits.
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I can't for the life of me figure out why, but I suddenly have the urge to watch "Grumpy Old Men" tonight.

I have an editorial comment to make. I feel qualified to make it since I'm not all that sharp on technical stuff so nobody is going to accuse me of knowing too much!

This site is awesome, always has been. We can have some project boat from 20 years ago or 50 years ago and ask a question, and the answers will be excellent and helpful and also, importantly, acknowledge that most of us are on a budget and want to solve our problems without spending a ton to do so. Honestly, best forum for problem solving I've ever been on.

So we have a group of incredibly experienced, interested, helpful, decent people that chime in to help out. The best of the best is a small group, we all know the names, some post regularly, some not as often any more, but are there when needed. I'm not talking 3 or 4, more like a group of 30-ish off the top of my head,

So when there are posts that are trying to help someone, and god forbid some detail isn't quite perfectly accurate, can we back down from the criticism a bit? Light hearted kidding is a staple of the site, but taking someone who is trying to help and picking apart their effort ends up being counterproductive. It's fine to correct an error, or offer a different suggestion, but why not stop there, not try to beat down the guy that is trying to help?

Feel free to toss stones back at me, I'm hard to offend! I'm really just trying to suggest that we want an environment where tons of people post without worrying about being told they are wrong. Thank you for listening, I hope this is taken in good spirits.


I'm equally hard to offend but when there's obvious bum dope thrown out there you really have to say something.

In this case I gave a perfectly accurate switch description using standard terminology but somebody then says otherwise. I actually let it slide then Duane told him the error in his ways and he then tells Duane he's as equally screwed up as me, Pete's jabs don't bother me at all, we've been going back and forth for years, but you have to point out the bum dope, otherwise the next guy looking for the right answer/solution is then mislead.

And then it deteriorates from there like it usually does with somebody named Pete whether it's me or a number of other people that he's disagreed with over the years. ( I'm keeping it polite here)

I'm not afraid to question him or point out an issue and that leads to disagreements,

If you wanna give crap, you should be able to take it too   

Every website has bum dope , this one maybe less than most, but if you want to keep it good, that bum dope needs to be pointed out.



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And.besides.............in real life me and Pete would probably get along just fine.......probably, I think, maybe
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Ha ha, I like the concept of "real life". I'm guessing in real life you guys would not only get along, but compare notes on projects for hours on end. I find the knowledge both you guys have to be off the charts, really fun for me to listen and learn.

I get it. You've been around a couple of years longer than me but we've both been here a long time. For all of us frequent posters you figure out a bit about their personality, what they are about, etc. Great bunch of people here, if you can ignore that all of us have a dangerous addiction and time drain related to water and boats (and cars and tractors and on and on).
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