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    Posted: June-18-2020 at 11:37pm
I have a 1985 ski Nautique it was running good for a few weeks and within a day I noticed it started running rough I stopped the motor went inside the camp to grab something and went back out to start and it would not start I tried and tried and tried to start but absolutely nothing it has good spark and it’s getting fuel. I unhooked the water pump and drained the manifold and the motor started up and ran fine so I pulled the boat out of the water and drain the oil and there’s not a lick of water in the oil really confused by thisDo I have an issue with the manifold gasket or is it a cracked water jacket. I have no clue how to diagnose the issue need advice please!!!!
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When you say it wouldn’t start do you mean it wouldn’t turn over? Or would it turn over and just not fire up?
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I think you may have correctly diagnosed the problem...water entering a cylinder (or 2) via the exhaust manifold. It may have been just enough to foul the plug, but not enough to seep down past the rings and show up in your oil.
Remove and inspect the spark plugs, I think you will see which are contaminated. Then find the source of the water by removing/disassembling the manifolds. Crack, rot, or broken gasket most likely culprits.
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Originally posted by mlegassey mlegassey wrote:

I have a 1985 ski Nautique it was running good for a few weeks and within a day I noticed it started running rough I stopped the motor went inside the camp to grab something and went back out to start and it would not start I tried and tried and tried to start but absolutely nothing it has good spark and it’s getting fuel. I unhooked the water pump and drained the manifold and the motor started up and ran fine so I pulled the boat out of the water and drain the oil and there’s not a lick of water in the oil really confused by thisDo I have an issue with the manifold gasket or is it a cracked water jacket. I have no clue how to diagnose the issue need advice please!!!!


Based on what you said you did – which is drain the manifold and remove the water pump? - then you did nothing that would have gotten water out of the cylinders as they are not attached to your manifolds or the water jacket. Unless you removed plugs and saw water or evidence of water and then removed that water to get the engine to start then it all seems pretty coincidental.
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Could it be a small amount of water in the cylinder preventing from starting. And once I drained the water out of the motor and Rrmived water pump that would prevent any more water from leaking in, causing the motor to start?
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I just don’t know where to begin looking for the leak and what to look for
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I am with Joe I don't see how pulling the water pump and draining the exhaust manifold can free up a hydro locked engine?
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I’m with Joe and NH. Something else is making your engine hard to restart.
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Well it really struggled to start after draining water. It did eventually start
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Matthew,
Is it a slow crank or just a long crank before the engine starts?


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Long crank Until it starts then once it starts I can shut it off and started again and it starts Right over like it should but when I put it back in the water or hook the hose up and try it it does not start
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Originally posted by Nautiquehunter Nautiquehunter wrote:

I am with Joe I don't see how pulling the water pump and draining the exhaust manifold can free up a hydro locked engine?


I'm not certain (from the description of the symptoms), that there is a hydro lock issue.
Doesn't o.p state that the engine cranks, but doesn't start?
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Seems more like an issue where fuel drips after you shutdown and flood the engine than it does water. If it happens again hold the throttle open when you try to restart - dont pump it just hold it wide open - if it starts then it is a flooding issue.
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I just don’t know where to begin making sense of anything you’ve said.
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I just tried starting it and noticed that there was fuel dripping from the rear port in the carburetor do you think that this is my issue and not a leaking gasket
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The title is confusing. There is or there is not water in the cylinder. I’m guessing there is not unless you say otherwise.

If that’s the case, it could be (leaking seats on carb?) fuel or any other number of issues. I think you should start with basic troubleshooting and check for spark and fuel and go from there.
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Matthew,
It's looking more like a fuel issue now especially since you can see fuel dripping down the throat of the carb. Does the exhaust smell like the engine is running rich?


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Yes it does smell like it’s running rich but it’s a brand new carburetor I just bought it and I’ve only got three hours on it how could it started leaking now I’ve just been reading other Posts on this site and it kind of seemed like it was water in the cylinder it seems to be ironic that when I drain the engine down and take the belt off the water pump and start the motor it starts it could be a coincidence I suppose you guys are the pros just threw me for a loop because it’s a brand new carburetor though I did kind of just throw it on and not Adjust it. How confusing am I?
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Matthew,
Tell us more about the carb you bought. Make, model and how it was set up/adjusted. Is there a fuel filter on the boat?


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Matthew,
I'd like to suggest not messing with the carb just yet.
You are saying when you disconnect the raw water pump AND drain down the water in the engine that it starts, right?
So I think you should just do ONE of those 2 things at a time and check the results.
Also, you might pull all the spark plugs and have a good look at them. Put up a picture here.
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Mourning wood, what should my plan of attack be when I check for leaking manifold ?
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Yes that’s right, when I disconnect raw water and drain the engine down it turns over for 8 sec it so then starts.
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Originally posted by mlegassey mlegassey wrote:

Yes that’s right, when I disconnect raw water and drain the engine down it turns over for 8 sec it so then starts.

I'm a little confused so, just to clear it up, are you saying if you do not drain the engine and disconnect the raw water it will "turn over" (crank) but will not start. But if you do drain, it will start just take a long cranking to start?

Have you tried Joe's suggestion yet?
Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

   If it happens again hold the throttle open when you try to restart - dont pump it just hold it wide open - if it starts then it is a flooding issue.


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