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    Posted: May-24-2022 at 12:28pm
Hey all you wonderful helpful folks,

On my '87 Martinique, PCM 351, raw water cooled. I bought it two months ago and was having intermittent cooling issues where the temp on the gauge would creep up past 180-190°, light would come on the dash for a few seconds (i think the buzzer is dead or unwired), then the temp would drop right back down to around 160°. I attributed it to a sticky thermostat and replaced with with a 143° unit from Skidim. When I ran it again in the driveway from a bucket, the temp gauge now barely goes above 100°, maybe 120° tops. I took out the (new) thermostat and checked it on the stove and it starts opening right around 140°-ish. Haven't checked the old one but still have it on the bench, guess I should check that one too. The temp gauge itself is not-original, is VDO, and was replaced by previous owner. I do know I'm having the typical issues with power/ground where the gauges all jump when I turn on add'l items like lights or blower so I guess the accuracy is suspect from the start, but the relative difference is what has me concerned.

I've checked the temp the best I can with an IR handheld on top of the manifold (130-150°) and right at the temp sender (130-145°) and under the thermostat in the housing (~150°). Top of the t-stat housing stays just under 90° and the manifold risers are about a steady 100°. That all seems pretty appropriate.

So now I'm wondering if the gauge is accurate and how hot it was really getting before I changed the thermostat. The oil looks great and still nice and clear amber. I'll get it on the lake this weekend and see how it does while running. 

Is there anything I should test with a volt meter? Anything else I should check on the engine or gauge itself? How do I determine if its an automotive vs marine gauge (I think I read that they have different voltage ranges)? Any other thoughts or advice? Should I stick with the 160° rather than 143° t-stat? I run on fresh water river/reservoir only in Tennessee.


Thanks in advance!

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Could be a bad temp sending unit or gauge.  In my 1994, I replaced both before I got consistent and believable temp readings.  The I. R. gun is your friend…

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I think the best thing you can do right now is just what you said, run it this weekend and see what happens.

Running it under load in real life conditions will tell you a lot more than idling with no load in the driveway.

You don't mention under what conditions the temperature creeps up or what conditions bring the temperature back down, which could help to figure things out.

Like for example, does it creep up at slow speeds and come down when you speed up some?  if that's a Yes, then you might have an air leak on the suction side of the raw water pump somewhere between the pump and the raw water intake.  

Also your raw water pump impeller can cause some funny swings in temperature, have you looked at the impeller at all?

Your gauge and the sending unit need to be matched. If for example your gauge is 100 to 220 degrees, you need a sending unit for the same 100 to 220 degrees or the readings will be out of whack.

I'd stick with a 143 thermostat and if it runs at 160 ish don't be surprised.

You could check the resistance of your sending unit with a multimeter, but you'd need some values from the manufacturer to compare those numbers to.

If you don't know the answers to some of those questions, it gives you something to look at when you run it on the weekend Wink
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When I bought the boat the temp would creep up while sitting at idle and/or while running, seemed to be pretty consistent and not dependent on speed. I hadn't run it in the driveway with the old thermostat, just noticed the new t-stat seemed to run much cooler (on the gauge at least). You're absolutely right though, I need to run it under load.

I'll plan to replace the hoses between thru-hull and pump sooner than later.

PO claimed to have changed the impeller and filters the weekend before I bought it when he took it out of winter storage, but I haven't taken it apart to check myself. I know better, trust but verify. It does suck water from a bucket pretty darn well and the temp is steady. At least that's an improvement.

Thanks for confirming 143 is right way to go. I expected after reading here it would run hotter than the rating and put it around 160 when running.

Thanks again for the advice. I'll update after I get a chance to run it under load.
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I recently took my strainer out and it has a couple of 90 degree fittings that were slightly loose.  If you have a strainer it's worth a check.  Also, I had my first impeller failure last fall but it was not obvious looking at the impeller.  The rubber body looked good but it was slipping on the metal hub.  It caused higher than normal temps.
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Ran the boat last two days, ran pretty well. Temp gauge never came up much, assuming at this point it's bad wiring/grounds.
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