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wayoutthere
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Posted: September-03-2024 at 3:22pm |
I bought the 96 nautique open bow from Nautique Jeff that he has listed for sale.
The sale included everything minus the engine and transmission. I spoke with Sandra the owner of CS Marine in New Jersey and the remaining interior items are getting shipped to me. First off, Jeff. Solid guy who stepped up and made a good deal a better deal by trailering the boat from North Carolina to Orlando. Obviously Jeffs a busy guy and had a reason to travel to Orlando but trailering the boat down as something he didn't need to do. It gets better, 0400 the 21st en route to the er i call Jeff and leave a message, on the way to the hospital, hold off. Later that day from the hospital we text back and forth. Released on the next day and back home by 2030 hrs and Jeff says he'll come down monday with the boat. So he put his business on hold over the weekend and delivered the boat in Orlando that monday. Honest, straight to the point, clearly attached to these boats and his work, Jeff (Nautique Jeff) is a solid stand up guy that i wouldn't hesitate to do business with or reccomend him to my family, friends, and the members across 3 boating sites I belong to. Next, Sandra at CS Marine in Jersey. https://www.candsmarine.com/ Sandras shop is the only uholstery business licsened by correctcraft to reproduce factory vynil, color, patterns and embroidery and in business for 40 years. Please visit the link and read up about her shop and the work they do. More to the point, I spoke with Sandra over the phone and upon hearing I was taking on the 96 nautique project from Jeff she offered to crate up and ship the remaining interior parts to me. The combing pads are long and in order to help save on shipping she offered to make paper templates of them. Sandra has gone over and above helping me with this project and the rest of this story will have to wait until i speak with her again to forward the shipping costs. Suffice to say Sandra turned the great deal that Jeff made me into an incredible deal. Again, across 3 boating websites I will reccomend to all members that i wouldn't hesitate to do business with Sandra (C S Marine in New Jersey) as well as reccomend her to my family and friends. I could go on about Jeff and Sandra both as to how they act professionaly as well as to the personality traits i observed while meeting and talking with them. I can't thank enough for their time and help afforded to me connection with this project by both Jeff and Sandra. We all know who Jeff is and the great work he does restoring these ski boats.Please consider calling Sandra at C S Marine for licsensed nautique upholstery as well as any upholstery needs you may have in any boat. Pics in a couple days, parts cleaned, carpet pulled off and out to the bow eye (saving for patterns) including the carpet on the underneath of the bow rider. Who puts carpet there? Thank you again, Dan |
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Jonny Quest
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Very few things in life are better than dealing with great people. Kudos to Jeff and Sandra. Well done.
W-O-T do you need an intervention?
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KENO
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One thing you should never do again is ship your old perfectly good carburetor to a guy in New Hampshire, saying you'll never need it again.
I kinda figure that guy would send it back to you if you want/need it
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wayoutthere
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Yes johnny, clearly there is a problem.
Keno, nope that carb is for whatever that guy wants to do with it. Anything else would be like an indian giver. Quick fuel keeps coming up, i don't know what causes the issues but i really want to install a squeeze pump like on an outboard. The 84 donor engine transmission with 770 hours was converted to electric ignition. my guess it's strong, but with how old gas ? How out of adjustment/clogged carb, how out of timing and in need of plugs wires cap and rotor, not charging and with an old battery on a charger hell, maybe a new conversion kit. It sounded good and revved up very fast, smooth, like a healthy engine, hopefully a freshen up, flex plate coat of corporate blue and there will be the happy. Only thing that looks cut is the wire on the ballast when it was converted. Firsr keno question is; are the front mounts or front pedestals different from 84 to 96 ? I measured, it looks good except - the stringers are farther apart on the 96 than the 84 BUT ; The engine mounts IN the cradle on the 96 and the engine mounts ON the cradle on the 84. Even tho the bolt holes line up on both cradles, the front mounts on the donor would have to slide in to fit leaving less side to side for alignment up front. I'll post a few pics of that tomorrow. |
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KENO
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Your question on the front mounts......the brackets that bolt to the engine are different heights because of the change in mounting angle.
Some people not named me have said they thought there was enough adjustment to make up for the height difference. One of them would have to tell you if they did it and it worked. PCM probably wanted the adjustment in about the mid range to leave plenty of room to go up or down PCM part numbers for the engine mounting bracket R090001 for the 1 to 1 transmission applications, R090144 for 1.23 applications Were you planning on the 84 engine and transmission going in the 96 or just the engine and finding a 1.23 transmission? Or maybe no real plan yet from the sounds of your other thread where you're selling stuff? Remember that the 96 engine is normal rotation and the 84 is reverse rotation.
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wayoutthere
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Yes, plan is 1984 pcm and borg warner.
Build another gantry pull engine trans hook up to 96 and lower engine trans into place to see whats what. Brackets ? Are you talking the cast part with trunion or the pedestal. Maybe i should go outside and take some pics so you can set me straight. |
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KENO
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wayoutthere
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Edit in ; yes i see the height difference on the mounts thank you. Pedestal looks the same, problem is pedestal overhang/ overall width. Unless i glossed over and missed 2 different pedestals, nothing that cant be remedied. Unless cost for new is way over the rainbow.
Thanks keno Width bolt holes pedestal into cradle on 84 and 96; 21 1/2 inches Elevation bottom to pedestal mount surface (cradle); 84, 6 front, 5 1/2 rear 96, 5 front, 4 1/2 rear. Width of cradle; 84, 24 inches but engine is on top of cradle and pedestals hang over 5/8 each side. Width of cradle; 96, 30 inches but engine is inside cradle on angle who's width is 24 1/2 at best. Stringer width on 84 is 21 1/2 which is centerline the vertical mounting bolts (lags on the 84 into the stringers. It's close and most likely being overthought again again. |
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wayoutthere
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TRBenj
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The engine mount width is essentially the same between the 2 stringer/cradle configurations, which was on purpose. (Ford) powertrains interchange without a problem. Rear mount height should be matched to the transmission being used but cradle will accomodate either set up.
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NautiqueJeff
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Thanks for the kind words, wayoutthere! I am really glad that boat is going to get another life. I had to go to Orlando anyway to pick up a trailer that Ram-Lin refurbished for me, so pulling it down with me was no trouble. Keep us posted on the progress!!
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Current Boats: 1998 Ski Nautique, 1985 Sea Nautique 2700 (twin-engine), 1981 Fish Nautique (twin-engine), 1980 Fish Nautique (twin-engine)
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wayoutthere
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Out there drippin, 3 days now. I like this hull so i'm moving forward and starting to work up a plan.
start by cleanly cutting out the battery box / cooler assembly so it can be reused. probobly have to cut a rectangle hatch out of the floor under the observer seat and forward a bit, if needed for foam removal. (it's some kind of cored panel but i don't know how far forward it goes) and re use it. i layed out the floor under the gas tank and rear seat, those areas plus a few inches either side will stay intact. Everywhere else between the back seat and tank and from the tank to transom will come out for foam removal and access to the thru hull nut and bolts that always leak. those removed sections will not go back in. the floor from the back seat to the front floor cored/panel will come out for foam removal, i'm hoping it will give me enough room to de foam. this area is approx 22 inches by 58 inches so 1 sheet of airex core cell 3/4 will cover the rebuild. I would prefer to not cut it open but the boat is disassembled now. If anybody has been inside of a 96 nautique and can shed some light on an approach to cutting i'd appreciate the info. I can see the outboard stringer by looking down into the air box hopefully that will help with layout and cutting which will go slow so the composite stringers don't get wacked |
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KENO
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Click on the link, page 4 shows a cutaway view and some description of the stringers and floor. It's from 93 but applies to 95 too It may or may not be any help.
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wayoutthere
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Thanks keno,
No doubt someone has been inside of these things. Links not working |
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KENO
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It works for me, but here it is again. If that doesn't work, look for the 1993 brochure on PN or here on CCF
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