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    Posted: February-22-2007 at 5:19pm
Last weekend Obie (myDog) & I drove to Arkansas to pick-up our new boat,2000 mi.
there and back in 37 hours.It's a 86 Silver Nautique #12 w/239 hrs.on it. The hull is a 10! the engine is broke. I got it knowing I'd R&R the motor.Inboard 60 (great guy)is the guy I bought it from he asked some questions about exhaust manifolds & water in the oil on this forum.The l/h ex.manifold was off he drained the oil and put on a new filter-and quit. Last night I pulled the plugs and put a gallon of oil in it to do a compression test all 8 cyl. 130-140 psi(dry)The exhaust manifolds are "momicked" welded,brazed & JB epoxy. If the manifolds are that bad on the outside the inside must be just as bad. Has anyone got water in the oil from bad manifolds ? My bro thinks I need to pull the intake manifold to check the gaskets and for cracks. It's completely stock not even "bikini" top brackets.So the new Ex manifolds & risers will be here in a day or two I'll install them top off the oil & fake lake it. He said it ran fine but a little slugish. What would you guys do ?
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the manifolds can be the cause, but a rebuild is going to be in the near future due to rusting on the inside of the block from the water that was in there. For now makesure there's no water or fluids in the cyclinders, pull the plugs crank it over and it'll push it out if there is any. install the manifolds let it get good and hot to dry out the moisture from inside the block and en joy till it pucks, The damage is all ready done so your really not going to make it any worse, keep an eye on the temp and oil pressure gauges and check the oil for signs of water. Don't foeget to check out the tranny as well.
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I pulled all the plugs before the comp check,they were dry but rich (black carbon)I'll get a fiber optic bore scope for the weekend to inspect the cyl walls.
The tranny - good catch!
I've got a nice 300 hp 355 chevy in the garage trans bolted up and all - that WAS going in my ski-tique , but now ??? The ski-tique is for sale in some combination.The plan was to keep it - till the dream boat came along.What to do , what to do ???
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well what you don't want to do is remove the 351 and install the 355 in a limited production boat you will just kill the value. Re-build the orginal motor if you have too. Personelly you should be all right fix the exhaust manifolds and re-build the carb and use it.
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I know ,I know. This is a nice chevy & I'm not brand loyal.My Pop retired from GM ,my sister is an exc.@ Ford world headquaters & my youngest bro is an engineer at D-C
I'll never get the engine cash back selling it in the ski-tique thou.
But if I TRIED to keep both boats,I'd have to sell them both to pay the divorce lawyer!
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Waterdog, just tell the wife you sold the Tique to me (she'll believe that, right?) and that i want you to keep it out East for me so I can come use it when I get out to Washington(NC) there to see my buds. It's a technique I picked up from Nautique Frk, and have used it on my wife many a time. He calls it harboring a fugitive. But I've sorta worn it out I guess, 'cause anymore whenever I bring a boat home she just rolls her eyes and asks, ".....and whose boat is this?"
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We all might get busted on this. Whenever mrsjbear catches me looking at boats on the web I always say "I am looking for Reid" and she buys it.

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I told my wife I was going to fix a soft spot in the floor of our boat. That was two months ago. Now she cannot understand why I have to flip it upside down before I can put it back together. Wives expect their husbands to do things like that. At least you didn't bring home a girl you met while you were on TDY!
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John, 3/9(Friday) we're picking up a camper in Hobe Sound (just north of West Palm) and dragging it on down to leave it at north Key West (MM-10). Why don't you jump on the bike and head on down? I know you wanted to check out this really cool campsite. MM, Eddie, Chris, ??. We're coming back on Sunday. Whirlwind.
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Speaking of wives, there is a boat show in KC this weekend-- and Mrs. Lake is very nervous, she need not be, no old boats will be there.

But Reid, that is showing some real creativity.

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Originally posted by SkiBum SkiBum wrote:

I told my wife I was going to fix a soft spot in the floor of our boat.


Yeah and I told my wife the engine needed "a little freshening up"
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waterdog the silver natique's motor should be all right, get it up and running right. Install the 355 in the tique and sell it or take reid's suggestion of harboring. Just don't install a motor in the silver that was never available.
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I've got a 7mm fiber optic bore scope for the weekend.Can't wait to get home. One of my jobs at work is aircraft oil analysis I'm starting a wear trend with the 1st engine warm up!
If any CC Fans want I can do the same for you guys. It's cool to track engine wear throu it's life cycle!    
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I second leaving the silver a 351, I don't hesitate switching out engines in most boats but you lose any premium a silver nautique would bring over a standard 2001 if you stray from original.
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A GM engine wasn't even an option in a Silver?
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

I second leaving the silver a 351, I don't hesitate switching out engines in most boats but you lose any premium a silver nautique would bring over a standard 2001 if you stray from original.


This is just pure speculation but I'd have to imagine that the amount of people shopping for 2001's that would pay a substantial premium for a Silver Nautique is pretty small. I'd say it would be rare to find hardly anyone who isn't a CCFan regular who would even care about its collectibility. It's an awesome boat, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't let the Silver status get in the way of swapping out engines. It's just a mechanical change- it's not like you're cutting in an open bow or putting a tower on it. What "makes" it a Silver Nautique is not the engine, but the hull/interior/appointments. It's not like a Grand National where the powerplant is a key attribute of the collectibility of the car.
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you guys gotta remember besides the guys on this site there are 10 fold that dont have a clue what engine they have in thier boat let alone the difference between a 351 and 350, in some respect it would hurt the value and in another it wont hurt it at all......................just as long as it says Correct Craft on it
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I guess it's what you expect to get out of it if you ever want to sell it. And how ong you plane on keep it.

If you keep it nice and want top dollar then you need the orginal motor, if you are keeping it till you die then swap engines.
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Well here it is!! I was conveniently able to venture out to meet Waterdog (Andy) yesterday while on the way to a nearby family function. And boy did he pick up a sweet boat!! Andy is a super guy by the way also, with all kinds of neat engines and tractors and other cool things that guys like to check out. But check out these picts in the meantime, which by the way don't do the boat justice. It looks like maybe a two year old boat with the minimal hours to support it. Congrats again Andy and I look forward to seeing this thing run this summer.






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Congrats on the great find! It looks like it's in great condition. Enjoy your new toy.

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Amazing how a boat that old can look brand new. Thanks Reid for the pics.

Cool talking to ya from the boat today....but did you miss a great time! The boat runs AWESOME!

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Thanks Reid -
Next time your in the east(for more than 30 mins.) we'll have to go to dinner at Deadwood in Bear Gra$$. I'll treat you all to a steak.
The bore scope is 20K - I had to ask! Got the exhaust manifolds on ,new plugs in.looking over the engine the alt. was mis-alined and the belt was "scrubing" on the side so I shimed the bracket .125 in, much better now.I'll charge the battery tonight, look it over one more time and hook-up the fake lake. Funny how a 86 never had the reg. # on the bow ?   
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very nice...love the silver and black....time for a silver and black comeback from correctcraft
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Looked the engine over one more time , turned the key it started instantly!The r/w pump hose dripped and the carb fuel inlet dripped. Ran it for 30 min. off idle to about 2000 rpm(like a cam break in)oil 40-55psi kept checking the oil for water,oil is clear. H2O only got to 120*f (the water was pretty cold out of the hose).The engine water pump drips 6-8 drops per min. no mater the rpm.I'll probably r&r it. Retorqued the new ex.manifolds(warm).Very happy so far! Will do another 30 min penalty run tomorrow,change the oil hot and take a sample to analyze.If everthing checks good a water test is next!
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sounds like you don't have to use that 355 after all. well atleast on the silver
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Looks like the picture was taken in 1986! Wow, great boat in fantastic shape. It's a keeper!!

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NICE RIDE. I grew up with Nautiques in Arkansas. Where in Ark did you get it. I probably know owned it.
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