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Originally posted by 87BFN owner 87BFN owner wrote:

I do not think his tube is period correct we are going to have to take points off for that.


The tube is a automatic 5 point deduction with the ACBS and about 50 off if I'm judging!


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Originally posted by 87BFN owner 87BFN owner wrote:

This is not a CC by any means. Engines that are in it, if they are what the seller says they are would be worth it.

427 cobra


I'd believe it when I saw it.
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That's what I was thinking. Stranger things have happened. It would be worth it if that are indeed 427 cobra engines that are complete and running. I can not contact people on craigslist from work, because of our stupid firewall. I am going to email him when I get home to see if he has any documents or pics to back up his claim.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Riley Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December-03-2007 at 9:02pm
Those are pretty rare engines, so I would think it would be a steal, if they were really Ford 427s. BTW, I like that boat, although it is too much boat for me.
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They could be chevy 427's but that would be pretty hard to mistake a 427 chevy for a 427 cobra jet. I just thought I would post to see what others thought. As we have wuite a few members here with vast amounts of boat knowledge that go farther then just ski boats.
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Those are indeed more than likely 427 Fords, but hardly "Cobras". Believe it or not guys, but there were by far more 427 Fords installed in boats than in any cars. But it wasn't a hot engine by any means, just heavy duty. It was the big block mainstay used for the 300hp Chris Craft, Interceptor and Crusader marinization package used from +/- 67' up thru about '71-72, long after it was available in a car. But at only 300hp at only 4000rpm. It had 352-390 spec small-valve heads etc. But make no mistake about it, the cross-bolted, 4-bolt main cap blocks still bring large bucks today, and which all of these engine were/are. In this case someone just told this guy that this was the engine that Ford provided for the AC Cobra (same block only), and voila, a Cobra engine. However, Holman Moody and Interceptor both offered much higher HP marine versions of this engine. You can see in the REFERENCE section back in certain 65-67 boats where the Interceptor 400HP 427 was available as a high performance option "without a warranty". Holman Moody took it multiple steps further all the way up to 600-700 HP marine engines. MTCW.
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Originally posted by reidp reidp wrote:

You can see in the REFERENCE section back in certain 65-67 boats where the Interceptor 400HP 427 was available as a high performance option "without a warranty".

427ci in a 60's CC? Now thats crazy talk.

If the marine block was the same as the Cobra's, I assume it was only a head/intake/cam away from making Cobra type power? The 400hp Interceptor must have been pretty close.
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My uncle's cris has a 283 in it. But when his uncle ordered it new it had the option of a 427, but I believe it to have been a 427 chevy. Either way my great uncle Chuck said with gas prices at 17 cents a gallon for premium he just couldn't see buying the big motor. Crazy eah.

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By the way thanks for the extra back ground info. It's always great to learn something new about boats.
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Funny how time changes things,one of my friends had a nice 428 CJ Torino.Can't remember what year it was,but I remember him trading it in on a Mustang II when they first came out so he could save on gas
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Fairly common, as some have said already, to find a 427 ford motor in a marine application. What is rare, and would designate it as a "Cobra" motor, is the side oiler option. The motors in the Cobra cars had to have the side oiler configuration to fit into the chasis. I have a friend that responded to a add here in the Northwest for a large wooden cruiser that was rotting away. It turned out to have side oiler 427 twins in it that he resold for almost $9000 each as rebuildable cores! More than paid for the trouble of retrieving the boat!
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What do you mean by side oiler ?
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I've got a 1967 Car & Driver that tests a 427 Cobra. The article states that the engine is really a 428, and not the 427 because Ford found the 427 way over powered for street use and decided to cheap out on the non race cars.

I wonder if that was done with boats as well?
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Copied and pasted from the engine manual section on marineengine.com:                           427 Ford Operators, and illustrated parts.

It's a Ford that Chris marinized. Reid, I think you're right on regarding the 300HP. Low RPM but tons of torque. Probably 2:1 reduction tran's swinging maybe 18" props.

The comment about them being Cobras, is from the sellers own mind! I guess since we have a ebayhole thread that we'll now need a Craigslisthole thread too!!


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normally you'll see paragon p-400 series behind them, you see this combo in the Chris Craft Commander's, solid lifters with adjustable rockers. heavy monsters, because of the side door we ended up assembling the engines in the salon of the boat because they would not fit complete thru the door, if i remember correctly they were 300 ponies as noted above and 310 on the torque. and to think as part of a repower a few years back to BBC's the guy ended up giving me both of his engines (427'S) as part of the deal and sold i them for $500.00 each, i should say i gave them away. i didnt know the value of them at the time.... i do now
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

if i remember correctly they were 300 ponies as noted above and 310 on the torque.

Im betting the torque was a lot more than that (maybe closer to 500?). The 351w is up around 375 lb ft, so a big block should put out a lot more than that.
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If it was rated at 300 hp at 4200 that would be 375 for torque at that range peak torque would have been higher most likely but I doubt they were over 425. I can hit 460+ with the 408 but when on the dyno I couldnt maintain it over 4400 rpm ended up with peak hp at 443 torque at 4750. It would be interesting to know the exact speed those 427s were rated at it could be as low as 3800 rpm, or it could be higher than they were very low compression engines. Either way well suited for a cruiser, lousy for a ski boat.
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438 ft.lbs. at 2900 RPM
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Tug boat motor, Probably could make a nice wakeboard boat with one, built in ballast and everything.
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What kind of boat is that in Pete? And who is the marinizer?
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What kind of boat is that in Pete?


The latest in the line of CC beast wakeboats, the new Super Air Nautique 480.
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Originally posted by JoeinNY JoeinNY wrote:

Tug boat motor, Probably could make a nice wakeboard boat with one, built in ballast and everything.


Would depend on what the torque curve was, with that motor the torque may not fall off as fast as you think. I would like to see the specs on the torque curve before ruling it a tug boat motor.
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Bruce, The 427 is a Chris Craft marinization. I don't know what boat the picture was taken in. My reference on Chris shows HP's without CI. so I'm not too sure. There are 300 HP's listed in the 23' Continental and larger but I'd say it isn't the 427. I'd rather say it was used in larger cruisers and like Eric mentioned twin installs.

James, With a 2.5:1 trans on it swinging say a 24" 4 blade prop, I'd say it would make a good tug boat engine! That's 1095 Ft. Lbs. of torque available at 1160 RPM!


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Pete, the only 300HP engine I'm aware of Chris Craft using up thru about '72 was the 427 Ford. Have you seen other big block or higher HP options? I've actually seen some 427s in several of the smaller Chris' and more commonly in the Centurys, some even in the 17' Resorters, but more in the 19s and 21s, which were Interceptor packages. Along these same low tugboat HP levels of the times, a standard 426 Chrysler wedge was only rated at 290HP (some of those in CCFan diaries), a 430-431 Lincoln Chris Craft was only 275 HP. But hey, MerC was building 300HP 454s just a few years ago, and maybe still are.

If someone is fortunate enough to run across one of these 427s for decent $$, buy it, or at least call me. And I'll bet a cam re-grind among other things could raise that torque curve and HP quite a bit.

427 Side Oiler and other Ford FE series educational info:   http://www.mustangandfords.com/techarticles/15999_fe_quick_facts/index.html

Another good pick of the 427 Chris engine option. Love that shiny brass/copper:


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Reid, You are probably correct. The 23' Continental is plenty big enough to handle a 427 (even twins) so it must be the same 300Hp version. I do see a couple listings of 370HP V8 in Chris Crafts but it doesn't say who's engine it is. I do know they were using some Cal-Cadillac's so the 370Hp may be the Caddy.


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Pete,
I did not mean the 427 couldn't be used in a tug boat. Rather I was reffering that, that would not be there only use. That it would be quite likely that they would make a decent if not good ski boat motor.
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Does sound to bad but way to far away for me. here is the link everyone likes them.


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Boat Doc post pics if you would please, or email them to me if you can't post them.
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