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add the weight from the wet foam together, ballast, plus the people. it really throws the boat off and changes the boats performance great for wakeboarding but not a nice clean wake for slalom.
i really think it does create unexplainable stress cracks up here in the colder states.
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Next person to tear up their floor, take a large chunk of wet foam and toss it in the water. Will it still float?
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^^ I say no way ^^

Damp yes, soaked was SUPER heavy.
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I think alot of the ambiance here is that when your in trouble guy's are worrying more about thier 20k Correct Craft going to the bottem and not about the safety of people on board, it is about the safety of the people on the boat and then yourself then the boat. practice safety first and avoid the situations that may make the boat sink. the boat is replaceable, especially if you have good insurance and you happen to have a set of Pings on board with you. A boat that has been underwater is never the same.
I use this boat as an example, it took 20 years to rot, not 2, i would bet if you did some DNA samples of the water in there it would come back 1992. it gets in there and there is no way for it to exit, It really is a design flaw...and were trying to hash out a better way to keep you floating in regard to the boats integrity
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Kevin I have a pair of floaties with your name on them lol
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

Next person to tear up their floor, take a large chunk of wet foam and toss it in the water. Will it still float?


The first piece I threw in the trash can went right through the bottom of the can and chipped the concrete floor?!!?
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Greg, Im not harping on the foam thing, I know you will take care of your boat after its by-pass.....you wouldnt believe that a damper would have history to it, but when i get a damper to match it up with a transmission...you get these rust lines across them, sometimes near the bottem, sometimes in the middle, but what that is a line indicating where the water sat for a period of time and it leaves its mark
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i would bet if you did some DNA samples


That's why I sold the boat I had in the 80's, to much incriminating evidence! I've been hiding out in a little farm town in the midwest ever since
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Originally posted by eric lavine eric lavine wrote:

at least now we know that it takes less than 20 years for the foam to rot these boats, Im still having a hard time seeing the advantages of using foam, I guess i need enlightened


I haven't seen anyone tear the floor out of a post - '93 yet. We are seeing soft stringer '92s but I wonder how long before someone decides to tear off their soft floor/wet foam while having strong, composite stringers. I suppose you could use some of the other boats (Slayers - Tim's Tique) as examples since they refoamed and floored w/o doing stringers, but I'm just wondering how long before foam alone causes someone to do this with a newer boat with no threat of stringer damage.
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No foam here. I must say that I am glad for that fact as I had a pretty big leak last night that I am pretty certain is the exhaust thru hull. I would assume that the foam would have slowed and hidden this problem for a good amount of time. I would be seriously pissed. Pool noodles.
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Did you really use pool noodles? I have seen that posted before but thought it was a joke?
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I didn't mean poured foam, heck forget the foam!

Who is going to dig up wet foam with composite stringers? And when, that is my question.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

I didn't mean poured foam, heck forget the foam!


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Wacko, yes.[/QUOTE]



Really, thats interesting. Do you have any photos of how you did it?
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Originally posted by WakeSlayer WakeSlayer wrote:

No foam here. I must say that I am glad for that fact as I had a pretty big leak last night that I am pretty certain is the exhaust thru hull. I would assume that the foam would have slowed and hidden this problem for a good amount of time. I would be seriously pissed. Pool noodles.

Mike, I dont think anyone ever advocated that you foam the exhaust cavities... CC stopped doing that around 1972. All boats newer than that had open cavities that drained into the bilge (like my Tique). Hopefully the fact that you sealed up those cavities wont come back to bite you in the a$$ so soon!
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Me too. Will know soon enough.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

I haven't seen anyone tear the floor out of a post - '93 yet. We are seeing soft stringer '92s but I wonder how long before someone decides to tear off their soft floor/wet foam while having strong, composite stringers. I suppose you could use some of the other boats (Slayers - Tim's Tique) as examples since they refoamed and floored w/o doing stringers, but I'm just wondering how long before foam alone causes someone to do this with a newer boat with no threat of stringer damage.

HW,
My boat was 8yrs old when when it was parked up due to total structural failure and we had to take out the entire floor.

The boat was falling apart -loose seat base, loose lag bolts, huge cracks in the decks at the gunnel joins and in the main traffic area's and spider cracks had started to appear in the hull --- it was a mess....

The stringer's were ok (but soaked)

As the decks and foam work that made up most of the structural integrity of the boat had totally failed the boat was literally falling apart, And it would be no different if it had composite stringers.

Water entered (and was trapped by the foam) the foam and untreated timber deck supports disintegrated, and the glass on top of the foam collapsed leaving the hull with no support apart from the soaked stringers.

So yes- I would say there is heaps of 93 + CC's out there that are set to make the next "pumpkin thread"

What are the "strong" composite stringers in the 93 + boats made out of?
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