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TRBenj
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The problem with that method (shoving the garden hose into the intake hose and clamping it), as I mentioned Chris, is that is highly dependant on having adequate water pressure. If your RWP tries to draw more water than the hose can supply, you stand the risk of collapsing the hose and running the engine dry. Sucking *some* air at idle isnt an issue, as the impeller still has plenty of water to stay lubricated and the engine isnt under any load- so it wont overheat. There are no valves or other "complicated" parts in my tee that would ever allow you to run the engine without water- there is nothing in line with the water pick up. Worst case you forget to close the valve and suck some air, causing you to creep temp at slower speeds when you hit the lake. So long as you pay some sort of attention to your gauges, you have a ton of time to notice this- and the only ill effect is you might end up with some extra water in the bilge, depending on the elevation of the tee mounting location. Not that Ive done this, of course. |
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79nautique
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Well you realy shouldn't be raising the idle up long enought to cause any issue, I also don't subscribe to your theory that your going to suck the supply dry and collaps the hose I never did and I would run it at 2k sometimes, without an issue.
I do not like your method of just a tee, you interduce air into the system and into the block by not blocking off the tee'd section that is not supplied water, not somthing I personally want to be doing. Is one better than the other? debatable, flip a coin, I like the fact that I could turn on the water and forget about it until I was done. It also would point out any leak in the pick-up side of the hoses from the rwp. FYI the pressurized water isn't blowing past the impellar unless it's turning, might leak a slight amount past a vane, or if the vane is shot, put one in good working order isn't an issue from my personal expreince if it was it would have never shown any leaks but since it did that tells me the water isn't getting past the impellar while under house hold pressure. |
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TRBenj
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Like I said, if you have good water pressure, your method works. If you dont and the demand of the RWP exceeds that of the hose, what do you think will happen? Having good water pressure is not a prerequisite for owning a Correct Craft- so its worth mentioning. I am certain that the RWP will attempt to draw in more water than some wells can provide.
No problem turning the water on well beforehand with my set up either- it just leaks out the intake grate. I dont see a single issue with allowing the RWP to pull some amount of air. I would bet that most boats out there have *some* sort of air leak- I know that after going through my cooling system and replacing the hoses, my temps became much more consistent. I dont run a tick above operating temp in the driveway (160) so its not on the verge of overheating by any means. I get very long life out of my impellers too, btw (just changed my '90 for the first time this year since purchase, so 5+ years). If you prefer to dink with hoses and hose clamps every time you run off the hose, be my guest. |
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79nautique
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volume is needed not pressure, if the hose is filled with water and there is an endless supply at the other end of the hose, the RWP is going to get all the water it needs regardless if there is zero pressure on the line or 100 pounds of pressure on it, it's under negitive pressure to start with and operates under negitive pressure, now if you use an unsually small cheap hose then you can create issues, but a tradition 3/4 garden hose will supply all the water it will ever need.
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JoeinNY
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You guys ever think of running these boats in the water?
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Bri892001
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That actually leads me to a couple questions. My boat is in the water. My water strainer bowl is not clear plastic, it's the white kind. A.)I can just by the clear bowl, right? Or would I need to get the whole kit? I know they sell just the bowls, but I'm wondering if the threads/dimensions etc would be the same as the ones with the white bowls. B.)Can I do this with the boat in the water or will I get a gusher? My bowl is mounted a little closer to the bilge than TrBenj's, but I think it's still just above the water line. |
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TRBenj
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Youre correct about pressure vs. volume, I was misusing the terminology. The fact is that wells do not provide an unlimited volume, but rather a finite number of gallons/minute. If the RWP tries to draw more water than the well and pump can provide, you can collapse a garden hose and run the motor dry. The number of gal/min that a well can provide mary vary greatly from one house to the next- Ive seen some wells in the <10gal/min range, which could have you flirting with disaster.
Brian, you can swap it out on the water, no problem- so long as youre above the water line like you state. For the cost of the bowl alone, Id consider buying the whole assembly. |
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79nautique
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you keep factoring stuff that doesn't come into play, especially on city water, well water, their's a bladder tank, you don't need the pump in the well you have the rwp doing the work for it, so for the line to collaspe you have to have something to clog the line and water isn't going to do that, So Like I said FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERINCE THE HOSE WILL NOT COLLAPSE.
The pump in the well is to create the pressure in the system, not to control the volume that is what the diameter of the pipe does and that is in relation the pressure head. Yes the pump will effect the volume coming out if there isn't an axuliary pump being used, in this case the RWP is the axualiary pump thus the well pump is negated. I know when I turn the water on the well pump doesn't even kick on for several minutes anyway go figure that? |
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srbranum
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Maybe I am doing something I should'nt be. Each spring, I just disconnect the intake hose from the the intake fitting coming out of the bottom of the boat, shove a garden hose in to the intake hose, stuff a rag where the garden hose meets the intake hose, turn the faucet on full blast and start the engine. Water pours out the exhaust pipes on to the drive way. Is there any difference in this and the lake water being pulled while idling or forced while running?
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I have to keep her running 'cause I can't afford a new one
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79nautique
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your fine, I did it that way with the xception I tighten the hose clamp around the metal end of the hose vs. the stuffing rags part. |
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8122pbrainard
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I have always used the "fake" (home made with the toilet plunger) Fake-a-lake on all my boats. I have never had or seen any indication of the garden hose collapsing ether on my city water at home or my well water up north. Both have clos to the same flows and pressures. In fact, unless I rev the engines up to a relative high RPM, I always have excess water coming out around the plunger and this is without the water turned on all the way.
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Bri892001
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Mine runs strictly on perrier when it's on the trailer. I import it directly from France by the case.
I undo the water intake line from the hull pick up and and have an (attractive female) assistant pour the bottles into the line while I start the motor. Of course, I have to have another attractive female assistant to pull the bottles out of the case, undo the caps and then pass them to the first assistant. This is the only way to ensure adequate flow |
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WakeSlayer
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My 502 has a "T" before the strainer. My strainer is very high in the engine compartment, and the T is about halfway down to the intake scoop. For the life of me, I have never been able to use the T as it dumps out the bottom and will not, even with the intake grate taped off, prime upwards. I actually do not find it difficult at all to just pull a clamp on the engine side of the strainer and clamp a garden hose on it. My cooling system is sound, clamps tight, impeller has been replaced, never get over 160*, etc. At my shop, I am on a well fed hydrant 800-900 feet from my pressure tank in my house, and have never seen a 5/8 ID garden hose even begin to indicate collapse at any RPM. I do not run it much higher than idle, but I also see no reason to.
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79nautique
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I agree if your cranking it up to 4K then you might start seeing some issues, but you shouldn't have it that high to start with, the water's there the RWP will pull more in.
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