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    Posted: December-15-2009 at 11:59am
Gang, I'm fairly handy with a multimeter but I've never measured DC current draw with it. The instruction manual is long gone and the tutorials online that I've found are generic, with every MM being a little different in one way or another. I'm trying to figure out how much of a parasitic draw I have on the car battery of my project/commuter car (1995 525i). I disconnected the negative cable from the battery and bridged it to the battery with my MM, with the settings below. The book says 100ma or less is acceptable, and with the settings below I get 00.05 on the readout. I believe that is 50ma, putting me in tolerance. Am I right?

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I could be wrong, but shouldn't your red cable be plugged into the opposite side terminal to read DC mA, as evidenced by the green lettering on your dial selector corresponding to the green "mA" on the left terminal?

I'm sure one of the electrical guys will set me straight.
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Yes, I believe the right hand side is 10A and the left is for ma. I noticed that after I did this. I think each side is just fused differently. That's probably why I'm getting 00.05 instead of 50.00 but I just want to make sure. I don't want to buy a new battery, then kill it with this car.
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Joel,
Your cool and correct that the input is fused different. You'll notice the selector switch setting is correct for ether input as it has the red 20 ma. and the green 10A under it.

Sounds like you need a new battery but to be sure have it load tested. NOT at Autozone! They will tell you it's bad and need a new one no matter what shape it's in!!!

Have you checked to see if the alternator is putting out?


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What is the rest of the lettering in the green DC section, the plugs are blocking something.
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Originally posted by Hollywood Hollywood wrote:

What is the rest of the lettering in the green DC section, the plugs are blocking something.

My guess is that is says mA.

Joel, sounds like youve got it all figured out. If you plug your red cable into the 10mA terminal and switch your setting on the dial to the 200mA range, you should get the most accurate reading.
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Thanks Pete. HW, I think the black plug is hiding a green "10". Unfortunately Autozone carries the BEST cheap BMW battery ever, the Duralast 49DL so I'm going to have to make the trip, unfortch. The current battery is a AAA brand battery which is still under warranty (and probably also made by JC) but I believe the warranty is only for the original purchaser.
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Also, here's a question for you EEs out there: Will the draw be the same regardless of battery state? e.g. if the battery is only putting out 10 volts will the car still demand the 50ma? I'm guessing yes because the car wants that amount of current no matter what. I did this same test with the battery charged and got the same result, but this last time I checked it I was down a couple volts.
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Yeah then switch the red lead (to mA), and set the dial to 200 you'll most likely see ~050.0 displayed.

Right now you are reading 20 A max, so .05/1000 = 50 mA
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Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

Also, here's a question for you EEs out there: Will the draw be the same regardless of battery state? e.g. if the battery is only putting out 10 volts will the car still demand the 50ma? I'm guessing yes because the car wants that amount of current no matter what. I did this same test with the battery charged and got the same result, but this last time I checked it I was down a couple volts.

The load is probably consuming (demanding) a certain amount of power (power = voltage x current). With a lower supply voltage, you should probably see a slighly increased load current in order to deliver the same amount of power. The difference in voltage we're talking about here (10v vs. 12v) isnt huge though- so depending on other factors (the settings and accuracy of the DMM, etc), you may not notice a huge difference in the readings.

FYI, this is the same principal that will cause starter solenoids to weld themselves shut. Try starting the boat with a bad battery (low voltage) and the starter will draw more current in order to draw the same amount of power... Too much current creates excessive heat and the solenoid contacts weld themselves together.
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This is a confusing aspect of electronics for me. How can a load (resistance) "draw" power? Isn't the battery the "engine" that is pushing electrons through the circuit? Thus how can something "pull" down the line? Why can mini xmas lights have such a small gauge wire (bonus question)?
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Originally posted by M3Fan M3Fan wrote:

How can a load (resistance) "draw" power? Isn't the battery the "engine" that is pushing electrons through the circuit? Thus how can something "pull" down the line? Why can mini xmas lights have such a small gauge wire (bonus question)?

Youre thinking about it backwards. The battery doesnt "push"; the load "pulls", if you will. While you can think of any load as an equivalent resistance in a circuit, you can also think of a load in terms of how much power it consumes (remember, power = voltage x current). A battery wont "push" power anywhere- if you dont attach it to anything it just sits there, its not trying to "expel" anything at a certain rate. It needs to have a load attached to it for current to flow- and how much current is dependant on what you hook up to it.

Bonus: Christmas lights generally consume about 25 watts of power for a typical 50 light strand. Plug them into 110VAC and that means each strand only draws 220mA. The selected wire size is dictated by the amount of current expected to flow through it... and it doesnt take a very big wire to handle 220mA. Check this chart (AWG vs. Max amps for chassis wiring) for a guide:

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

Another example: This is the same principal that allows you to use a much smaller gauge wire to hook up an appliance if you run it on 220VAC instead of 110VAC. By using a larger supply voltage, you essentially cut the current flowing through the wire in half (the power consumption of the appliance remains constant).
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Like Tim said "(power = voltage x current)"
I like to put it this way; (Watts= Volts x Amps). So if you double your volts, 110v to 220v, you cut in half the needed amps for the same watts (and visa-versa). Using watts makes it easy to figure household usage, especially when sizing for generators.
The other easy way to think about current is with the word potential. The battery has the potential to send current from the positive side to the negative side. But without a circuit to do it, the load, it sits idle.
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Originally posted by tullfooter tullfooter wrote:

The other easy way to think about current is with the word potential. The battery has the potential to send current from the positive side to the negative side.

... and electrical potential is voltage.
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I still don't get it entirely. I guess my struggle is that I want to understand it at the lowest, most core level. That is how I like to learn anything- from the absolute ground zero and up. I don't want to understand it with equations, or just common "givens". I want to know exactly what is happening in that copper wire atomically and in the battery chemically to make it all happen. One day I'll blow a few hours on the Internet and catch up. As a side note I think society in general is really behind on fundamental science, chemistry, and physics knowledge, and that is too bad. I was ALWAYS into this stuff as a kid but electricity has always been a little mysterious at that core, fundamental level.
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Put the new battery and took the same measurement- sure enough, current draw is lower. About 30ma. Go physics.
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Tim,
You did stay at a Holiday Inn! Well said on the explanation.


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