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Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:

it could have been crakced prior to being hit. But at least the strut is still there, wonder if the coupleing is still attached to the tranny bet it is.

well I would say the odds of salvaging the prop or shaft is not going to be likely. Also looks like a fin is a little shorter than it should be or maybe it's a speedo pick-up in the shot.


The coupler is still attached; looks intact

Originally posted by bkhallpass bkhallpass wrote:



Looks like an old school speedo pickup to me as well.

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It may be. I have two speedo pickups on the back of the boat, one on either side.

Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

Are you sure that boat is a '78? The colored hull, speedo pickup and trailer fenders make it look more like an early 70's vintage.


It might be. I really have no idea. The previous owner thought it was a '73 at first, but the last two digits of the serial number is "78" so he said it was probably a '78. Is there a way I can run the VIN?

Here's some more pics:

Shaft Log


Strut - Thats just dirt on the leading edge of the strut


Rudder Port


Side View


Rear View - Speedos on left and right

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It sure looks like it could be a '73- its definitely not a '78. Post a picture of the HIN.

I cant see any damage to the shaft log from that picture... thats how the bottom of the boat is supposed to look. What does it look like on the bilge side?
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Originally posted by TRBenj TRBenj wrote:

It sure looks like it could be a '73- its definitely not a '78. Post a picture of the HIN.

I cant see any damage to the shaft log from that picture... thats how the bottom of the boat is supposed to look. What does it look like on the bilge side?


Haven't had the chance to remove the inspection boar, rear seat, and tank just yet, but I will post more pics as soon as I do.

Thats very interesting. I'm glad I haven't registered it yet. I will have to ask the dealer I purchased it from to make me a new Bill of Sale. Any idea on how to get the exact year model?

I really appreciate the replies, guys.
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Chris,
I've never seen a spacer under the strut before. Makes you wonder if it came from the factory that way due to a drilling/position error??


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Here is a closer picture of the strut with the suspect spacer:



Here is the "shaft log" I believe. Doesn't seem disturbed at all


Here is the rudder port.


Here is the strut "plate"(?) The cracks in the wood were there before my accident. The white stuff around the plate was peeling away.


There is one large fin under my boat.



Then there is this:


Possibly the original speedo? I have a total of three speedometer gauges. One is mounted in the dash, and the other two have been attached to the dash with plexiglass bracket.

Anyway, do you guys see any reason that I cannot just bolt the replacements in? Everything looks solid enough.

Also, I noticed TRBenj asked to post a pick on the boats HIN. Where would I find that?
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My guess is that the rudder had been straightened once before & was work hardened right at the break point. Just took 1 more hit for it to let go. It looks like the shaft came out of the coupler- shouldn't do that but it probably saved your tranny. Possible the shaft came loose, had no safety collar, then took the rudder with it when it went out the stern.

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Lotta weird situations there......

Did you loosen that rudder jam nut? Seems odd to look that way....
The force to shear off that rudder would HAVE to have damaged the fiberglass if it wasn't already weakened/repaired/partially fractured.

Looks like the rest just fell out when it separated from the coupling. The fins, shims, strut "backing plate" and loose "chaulk" sure are VERY interesting............... I'm sure you can get that back together..

(but you know the guys are gonna see that wood support and tell you to check your stringers...... you'll then wanna strip out everything, re-string, re-floor, align new drive parts and engine........ your early 70's CC will be good as new......that is just what this site and these folks are GREAT to help with.........
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Alright. I'll save up the money for the replacements and see how they do. Thanks for the help, guys.

Air206 - I haven't loosened the nut, just removed the seat and took pictures.

SNobsessed - Sorry I didn't mention this earlier, but the boat isn't insured. I had it listed at non-operable since I was chasing electrical issues and dealing with a leaky car, so sadly I can't claim my insurance on this one.
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Originally posted by Air206 Air206 wrote:

(but you know the guys are gonna see that wood support and tell you to check your stringers...... you'll then wanna strip out everything, re-string, re-floor, align new drive parts and engine........ your early 70's CC will be good as new......that is just what this site and these folks are GREAT to help with.........


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Jeff, I'm with Chris on this one. From the pictures I see it looks like you suffered no gel damage to the boat. The drive shaft and prop have departed the boat in tact only taking the rudder with it. Get your scuba gear and retrieve the missing parts and you'll have some more clues as to what happened.
Looks like the second tracking fin has been dressed up to next to the point of it isn't doing you any good if that is what it is. Is that factory or someone else's idea of a torque fix? Maybe someone who knows more about this particular year can chime in and tell you what it is. TRBenj?

Guy's would the spacer under the strut be a previous owners attempt at getting the tranny couplers to align? Could that have caused a sress point in the driveshaft causing it to depart the boat?
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My guess is that the boat has had a hit before and the rudder was straightened. Is the coupler showing signs of wear (fretting) where the prop shaft exited. Misalignment more than likely caused this wear if present. Then the prop shaft just worked it's way out taking the rudder on its way.
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The small fin is the same speedo pickup on my 78. I would agree, earlier than 78 model. See if the hin # is on the upper rt hand corner of transom on the outside.
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Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

My guess is that the boat has had a hit before and the rudder was straightened. Is the coupler showing signs of wear (fretting) where the prop shaft exited. Misalignment more than likely caused this wear if present. Then the prop shaft just worked it's way out taking the rudder on its way.

This certainly is a good theory and I feel quite possible. Have you got the prop and shaft out of the lake yet? A picture of it would be helpfull. Take a close up of the coupling end.

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Did you ever do the alignment on the boat? Posted Feb. 22nd:
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Engine/prop shaft/strut alignment - put's a extra load on the engine. You checked engine mount bolts but considering the age and the soft floor, you'll want to look farther for stringer problems.


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If Im not mistaken the early Martiniques only had a single tracking fin- the 2nd gen SN had 2. While everything is apart, I would check the remaining underwater gear (fin, strut) for straightness. If bent, get them fixed while everything is apart.

The theory that the shaft worked its way out and caused all this sure sounds plausable. I would pay very special attention to the alignment when you put it back together. If you can, eliminate that spacer under the strut. As I mentioned before, I would go with a used rudder (or even a prop) but a new shaft and coupler is a wise idea.

Like has been mentioned, that small fin is the speedo pickup. Ive got the same one on my '71 Skier. If there is no HIN on the upper right side of the transom, then poke around the bilge- there may be a plate with a serial number affixed to a stringer. Either that, or there is a serial number on the capacity plate by the throttle. Thats the only thing I have on my Skier, and Correct Craft was able to pull the records and confirm the year.
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Originally posted by kapla kapla wrote:

Originally posted by Air206 Air206 wrote:

(but you know the guys are gonna see that wood support and tell you to check your stringers...... you'll then wanna strip out everything, re-string, re-floor, align new drive parts and engine........ your early 70's CC will be good as new......that is just what this site and these folks are GREAT to help with.........


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Yeah, the stringers definitely need replaced. I haven't found any rot on the primaries, although I'm sure there is. The engine mount bolts all hold torque, so I've decided that the stringer job will wait until after this season.

Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Originally posted by lewy2001 lewy2001 wrote:

My guess is that the boat has had a hit before and the rudder was straightened. Is the coupler showing signs of wear (fretting) where the prop shaft exited. Misalignment more than likely caused this wear if present. Then the prop shaft just worked it's way out taking the rudder on its way.

This certainly is a good theory and I feel quite possible. Have you got the prop and shaft out of the lake yet? A picture of it would be helpfull. Take a close up of the coupling end.

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Did you ever do the alignment on the boat? Posted Feb. 22nd:
Originally posted by 8122pbrainard 8122pbrainard wrote:

Engine/prop shaft/strut alignment - put's a extra load on the engine. You checked engine mount bolts but considering the age and the soft floor, you'll want to look farther for stringer problems.


8122 - Never checked alignment with a feeler gauge, just spun the shaft and found it easy to spin (crappy test, I know). The boat hasn't been run for more than 20 minutes other than the day of the accident, but I've secured a set of feeler gauges, and printed Eric's Alignment thread for reference when I get the new gear in there.

Haven't gotten the gear out of the lake yet. I've got drill this weekend, so it's going to be sometime early next week before I have gear in hand. I will post pictures when I get it.

TRBenj - Thanks for the HIN location info. I will find the number and send it to Correct Craft for verification.

Thanks again, guys! The wealth of knowledge here never ceases to amaze me.
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