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    Posted: June-15-2010 at 1:25pm
Looking to know what best to replace my carb in my 89 2001 ski nautique 35w Windsor with reverse rotation. I heard you can buy new ones setup and jetted for this boat. Also I had put a pertronix electronic conversion kit in my old points distributor but seems that the timing does not advance correctly or we got the wrong specs for the idle and advanced timing settings. Can anyone set me clear on those specs as well as a good aftermarket distributor to put in the 351. I want to be riding not working on the boat all this summer =-) seems like those two items coudl get me closer to this goal.

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Don't screw with the carb, get on skidim's website and order a carb. $450 with the ccfan discount. I fought and chased carb problems all the time even with a rebuilt carb. Put the new one on and it was set it and forget it. Haven't touched my carb since the first outing over a month ago, and I had been doing everything from adjusting idle screws to cleaning jets in the field everytime I went out since last summer. As far as your timing goes, if you can't set the timing yourself get a mechanic to do it. Once that is set to 8-10deg, then chase either your advance weights/springs, or your iginition module. It would be a good idea also to lube your dizzy internals also before you get the timing set.
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Yeah that's pretty much what I spent all fall doing was messing with carb settings and even did a rebuild and it still didnt run that great. Have you replaced your points with a conversion kit or new distributor? I have a pertronix conversion kit fo rthe stock distributor but I'm reading a lot of bad press about them. Seemed like it was a carb, timing, or distributor tweak that I just could not isolate. I'm pretty sure its the carb though and possibly timing. What is your timing set at?   Thanks for the tips!!
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My timing is set between 8-10 at 600rpm, I can't remember. Haven't touched since I bought the boat and had it set. I had a miss and thought it was timing, but it ended up being a firing order issue. I bought the boat with the prestolite module already installed in it. That module failed and I had to install another one, just took a used prestolite electronic dizzy and swapped modules. Now I have spare cap, rotor, weights and springs if need be. I have also heard the bad press petronix gets, but a buddy of mine has it and never had a problem. As far as the carb goes, my boat pretty much never ran "right". I put the new carb on and now I am 100% confident in how my boat runs. I can't say for sure your problems are carb related, but I know that the new one completely solved my problems.
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disassembling the carb and spraying it with carb cleaner is a far cry from rebuilding the carb. So for me buy a new carb is a waiste of money when a renew kit cost a fraction of the cost. But I know how to rebuild a carb to like new condition using a renew kit. .02
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Yeah well considering the mechanic I had helping me in the fall lost my old Carb I definitely need to buy a new or refurbed one. Wanted to get a new electronic distributor rather then the conversion kit for piece of mind. I see skidim has them but didnt know which ones to get etc.
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I agree, that is why I sent the carb to a shop to have it rebuilt when I bought the boat. Paid $100 bucks plus cost of kit from skidim. Carb sill didn't run like it should and I still ended up cleaning jets, needle seat, adjusting floats, idle mixture screws. I never could get the carb to run "right". And yes I knew what I was doing thanks mostly to everyone here at CCFan and phone conversations with BoatDr. I spent countless hours messing with something that had I replaced it in the first place, I wouldn't have been one those boaters that always ended up working on my boat instead of using my boat. It is more money to just replace it, but if it keeps you from fighting the carb in the field one time it is almost worth it. Or for that matter getting you, your wife, and kids stranded and have to have someone pull you in for 2 hrs back to the boat ramp. In that case a new carb would have been priceless. Once again, it may not be the solution for rpmbuzz, but it is a hassle free solution to carb problems.
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I got a refurb I will sell you.... Skidim or Karen with CorrectParts will have everything you need and both offer great customer support.
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haha the one that never ran right? lol We spent so much time messing with that old one I am ready to just wakeboard this summer instead of another S_it Show on the water haha. That tow scenario was us last year =-)
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BTW, the prestolite electronic dist is just a standard points dist with the points removed and ei module installed in its place. If I was buying a new one I would get the mallory, but the prestolite module that the dim sells should be all you need if your pertronix module is bad. I bought a used prestolite electronic dist from BoatDr for the same price as just a module thinking I had to replace the whole dist. When I got it in I just swapped the module when I saw it was the same set-up. That way I didn't have to do the work, adjust timing, ect. involved with a dist change. Plus now I have spare parts.
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Originally posted by rmm025 rmm025 wrote:

BTW, the prestolite electronic dist is just a standard points dist with the points removed and ei module installed in its place. If I was buying a new one I would get the mallory, but the prestolite module that the dim sells should be all you need if your pertronix module is bad. I bought a used prestolite electronic dist from BoatDr for the same price as just a module thinking I had to replace the whole dist. When I got it in I just swapped the module when I saw it was the same set-up. That way I didn't have to do the work, adjust timing, ect. involved with a dist change. Plus now I have spare parts.


Well Dude your just kinda of full of it today, You pick a crappy repair shop to rebuild your carb, then use that to justify buying a new carb, please Get an expert not a SHADE tree wanabe.

Also I'm well aware of someone else's thoughts on the subject too and know why you went with a new one just like they always dom, cost savings, please horse crap in my book but I can rebuild a carb correctly most can't that's why they waste money on a new carb.

A points Distributor and an electroinc distributor are not the same, sorry if you confused a conversion kit has a module. FYI you still have to have a triggering device to fire the module, either magnetic or optical one side of the module is connected to it. SO don't spread BS that all you need is a module for you point distributor to make it an electronic distributor because that is just a lie and not true at all.

Trust my I've designed way more ignition systems than you have ever seen in your life so I DO KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT you can bank on that.
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Everybody has a mechanic they trust and use. I had my carb rebuilt and far as pricing, some people do get ripped.
Looking at my bill here it cost me from my mechanic for a rebuild carb was:
Carb Kit 69.95
Points and Condenso 10.00 (i just added this cause mine where bad)
Labor: 90.00

Pretty cheap to me, espcially if they do good work.. I know everyone got there opinions on points versus electronic distrubtor.. Stick with points..
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You are right, and I apparently got a shoddy rebuild. My next one might have been the same way, and rpmbuzz's (if he could find his carb)might be too. When your a novice you can't rebuild one properly or really know who can. I did take you know who's advice and it worked out for me so I am happy. Keep rebuilding yours and you will be happy too. I am 100% sure you have rebuilt more carbs and designed more igition systems tham me. Thats a fact I will not argue. All I am trying to do is help a fellow CC owner and boarder to get on the water and have fun. Thats what its about right?

[QUOTE=79nautique]SO don't spread BS that all you need is a module for you point distributor to make it an electronic distributor because that is just a lie and not true at all. [QUOTE]

I stand correct again, I wrote "ei module" instead of "ei conversion kit"

BTW, the prestolite electronic distributors were just a standard points dist with the points components removed and ei conversion kit installed in its place......

And I do apologize rpmbuzz, you have an 89 with a screwdown dizzy instead of a clip down like in my 86, so no the kit I was reffering to is not sold at skidim for you. I have heard reviews on both the mallory e-spark and the petronix and I think the e-spark gets better reviews. If I were doing it again, I would spend the money and buy the brand new mallory dist.
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Originally posted by rmm025 rmm025 wrote:



BTW, the prestolite electronic distributors were just a standard points dist with the points components removed and ei conversion kit installed in its place......



maybe to the untrained eye like your's but in the real world they are not the same.
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Originally posted by 79nautique 79nautique wrote:


maybe to the untrained eye like your's but in the real world they are not the same.


Please enlighten me on the difference. I am always up for learning new things so I don't give people bad information.
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bring me one of each and I'll show you the slight difference under the cap, outside yea they are identical but not under the cap.
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